KENT, Ohio — Everyone figured Rocky River and Walsh Jesuit were fit to be tied. Everyone but sophomore Tyler Harkins. Putting on one final rush, Harkins scored with 13 seconds left in overtime to give the Pirates a 3-2 victory on Friday night at the Walsh Jesuit Invitational hockey tournament at Kent State Arena.

Rocky River goaltender Jake Nicholson tracks the puck against Walsh Jesuit. He had 25 saves in the Pirates’ 3-2 overtime win. “Jake came up big for us,” says Rocky River coach Chris Cogan. - (Gus Chan, PD)

KENT, Ohio — Everyone figured Rocky River and Walsh Jesuit were fit to be tied. Everyone but sophomore Tyler Harkins.

Putting on one final rush, Harkins scored with 13 seconds left in overtime to give the Pirates a 3-2 victory on Friday night at the Walsh Jesuit Invitational hockey tournament at Kent State Arena.

Harkins hustled his way to the winner, getting past a Warriors defender and goaltender Jamie Studer.

"I got the puck out and made a good move to get the open shot," said Harkins, whose second-period goal gave his club a 2-1 lead. "We came in knowing they were going to be tough competition. We got a lot of lucky bounces the first time."

The Pirates (17-3) defeated the Warriors, 7-0, when they met three weeks ago in a Greater Cleveland High School Hockey League Red South Division game.

"I'm sure that was a thought for some people," said Rocky River senior Eric Sperli, who had his second assist on the game winner. "Our heads were in the game. We'll see them again here."

The Warriors (15-11) rallied twice to tie the game. After falling behind on a goal by the Pirates' Bobby Perez in the first period, they evened matters in the second on a score by sophomore Todd Lambert. They forced overtime when sophomore Dawson DiPietro scored with six minutes to play.

"That's a real good team, and they've shown that to everyone," said Walsh Jesuit coach Pat McKendry, when asked if playing a much closer game this time against the Pirates made a difference. "There is no satisfaction from a loss."

Both goaltenders came up with big saves -- Rocky River junior Jake Nicholson credited with 25 saves and Studer with 24.

"Jake came up big for us," said Rocky River coach Chris Cogan. "We ran into some penalties, and you've got to give our guys credit. I knew it would be a good game."

Kent Roosevelt 2, Holy Name 1 (OT) In the tournament opener, Roosevelt junior defenseman Jake Schmauch picked the perfect time to score his first goal of the season.

Taking control of a loose puck in front of the Green Wave net, Schmauch put the disc between the legs of goalkeeper Sam Pikus with 2:28 left in overtime to give the Rough Riders a big win. Senior Tom Fisher had kept the puck alive in the Holy Name end, his shot coming out to Schmauch.

"At the end [of regulation] and in overtime, it was getting very intense," said Schmauch, who was awarded the game puck by his teammates. "The puck dribbled out, and I slid it right between him."

Give plenty of credit to Roosevelt sophomore goaltender Nate Grootegood, who was peppered with 29 shots. Twenty-five of those came during the last two periods, as Holy Name applied the pressure.

"I was trying to stay with the rebounds and put them in the corner," said Grootegood, who allowed his lone goal to Holy Name's David Schnell in the first period when he couldn't control the rebound. "We're the biggest underdogs in this tournament. We'll try to show them."

Roosevelt tied the game in the second period, as sophomore Scott Rainey scored a nice goal while he was lying flat on the ice, managing to get the puck into right side of the net. The Rough Riders, members of the White East Division, improved to 9-4-1. They play host Walsh Jesuit today at 4:30 p.m.

Holy Name, which plays in the Red South, stands at 11-9-1 and plays Shaker Heights at 2:15 p.m.

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Cleveland State overwhelms Butler and at times overcomes itself for a 76-69 Horizon League victory Friday night in Hinkle Fieldhouse at Indianapolis.

Cleveland State overwhelmed Butler and at times overcame itself for a 76-69 Horizon League men's college basketball victory Friday night on national TV in front of 7,994 fans in Hinkle Fieldhouse.

Even Butler coach Brad Stevens recognized it.

"They stayed the course; they do what they do," he said.

Butler scored 25 of its points from the free-throw line and 30 of its points on 3-pointers against a Cleveland State defense that was both physical on attack and at times clearly so wound up that it was out of sorts.

That was evidenced by leading scorer and top defender D'Aundray Brown picking up two quick fouls in the opening half, four for the game and scoring just two points.

"He was really, really wound up for this one," CSU coach Gary Waters said. "You could see it almost immediately."

Teammate Jeremy Montgomery scored his 18 points in the second half to lead CSU (15-3, 5-1).

Vikings forward Tim Kamczyc delivered 17 points in 37 minutes. This overcame a night in which CSU was whistled for 29 fouls and was trailing on the boards, 21-17, with 11:29 to play before ultimately outrebounding the Bulldogs, 32-29.

Add in some whistles that had Waters get a technical early in the second half, then pounding his fist on the scorers table midway through the second half, and one would think the game was nip and tuck.

Yet Butler (9-9, 3-3) only led after the first possession of the game, and on one possession in the second half. Other than that, it was all Cleveland State -- even as center Aaron Pogue picked up his fourth foul with 16:34 to play, Anton Grady his fourth with 7:59 to play, Brown his fourth with 7:24 to play and Luda Ndaye his fourth with 5:05 to play. And that's not to mention a pair of intentional foul calls against the Vikings that gave Butler extra possessions and free throws.

"I told them in the locker room, they did a great job under all the adversity," Waters said of CSU, which is 8-1 on the road. "I said: 'I'm proud of you guys. You withstood all that and did what you had to do to be successful.' "

The reward is CSU is now tied for the league lead with Milwaukee, with the Panthers due to visit CSU next weekend.

If not for a lollipop cross-court pass by Trevon Harmon that led to a Butler steal, then an intentional foul for Harmon trying to make up for the mistake, this game might have been a comfortable blowout for CSU. But the Vikings still had to hold on down the stretch until a Montgomery 3-pointer put CSU up, 67-58, with 2:56 to play.

"I just felt good and in rhythm," Montgomery said. "I love taking those type of shots."

Even as Butler hit some final 3-pointers, the Vikings closed the door at the free-throw line to go 3-0 on the road in HL play so far this season.

Cleveland State made a serious first impression, taking an 18-4 lead to start the game behind a tenacious defense and strong shooting. The Vikings had 10 of their points off turnovers and made three quick 3-pointers as they made six of their first seven shots overall while limiting the Bulldogs to 1-of-4.

Then the normally perimeter-shooting Bulldogs started driving to the hoop. Steadily, they began to cut into Cleveland State's lead, primarily from the free-throw line as forays to the hoop became whistles against the CSU defenders. The final 14:30 of the half, the Bulldogs outscored Cleveland State, 29-17, to close within 35-33 on 7-footer Andrew Smith's 3-pointer at the halftime buzzer.

Butler would take its second and last lead on two Smith free throws with 16:50 to play.

Montgomery answered with a jumper, and the Vikings never trailed again.

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See a photo gallery from the game here. MENTOR, Ohio — Revenge can be a wonderful motivator.

Mentor's Justin Fritts gets a lay up for two of his 44 points Friday during the Cardinals' victory over Garfield Heights in Mentor. - (Lonnie Timmons III, PD)

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MENTOR, Ohio — Revenge can be a wonderful motivator.

Before Friday night, Garfield Heights boys basketball coach Sonny Johnson was well aware of how talented the Mentor basketball team was as a whole.

He wasn't sure about Justin Fritts.

Mentor validated Johnson's opinion, and today, Johnson is well aware of Fritts and what he can do with a basketball.

Fritts, the Cardinals' man for all reasons, poured in a career-high 44 points to lead host Mentor to a convincing 73-63 victory in the first meeting between the two programs in the Northeast Ohio Conference Valley Division in front of about 2,000 fans.

"I knew he was a good player, but I had no idea he was that good," said Johnson, whose Bulldogs held Fritts to eight points in last year's regional championship game. "We tried to face-guard him the whole game, and he still went for 44. He was unbelievable -- way better than I thought he was. Yeah, we held him to eight last year, but it definitely didn't work this year."

The victory raised Mentor's record to 9-1 overall and 4-0 in the NOC Valley. The Cardinals, ranked first in The Plain Dealer Top 25 and eighth in the state, had something to prove after Garfield Heights prevented them from making a second straight trip to the state semifinals.

The Bulldogs, ranked fourth in The Plain Dealer and ninth in the state, slipped to 8-2, 3-1.

Fritts scored 18 points in the first half and 26 in the second. He made 15 of 24 field goal attempts -- including 4-of-8 on 3-pointers -- and was 10-for-10 from the free-throw line.

He made shots from short-range, mid-range and long-range. He made baskets off offensive rebounds and by driving to the basket. He also had eight rebounds and one steal. He is averaging a little more than 29 points per game. Not bad for a 6-1 guard.

"I was very motivated," Fritts said, while repeatedly passing kudos to his teammates. "I've had this game circled on our schedule ever since it came out. The game I had in the regionals still eats at me. I'm glad this one turned out the way it did. But, none of this would have happened without my teammates."

Mentor coach Bob Krizancic did not hide his opinion of his star player.

"I think he's one of the best, if not the best," he said. "I would take him above anyone in the state because of his mentality and leadership. That's where the toughness comes in."

Mentor took the lead for good at 16-15 on a basket by Fritts' younger brother, Brandon, with 35 seconds remaining in the first quarter. The lead grew to 11 in the second quarter as Justin Fritts scored nine points, and running mate Danny Wallack scored seven of his 10 points. It was 37-30 at the half.

The Bulldogs, whose other loss was to St. Peter Chanel, were in foul trouble for most of the game and eventually lost their two best players -- junior forward Tony Farmer and point guard Terrell Byrd.

"The fouls didn't go our way, but that's no excuse," said Johnson. "Mentor was the better team. They are the best in the area."

With Farmer and Byrd in foul trouble, seniors Mike Davis and Marquis Jackson picked up the slack. The 6-1 Davis finished with a team-high 21 points and four rebounds, and Jackson came off the bench to score 14 points, including nine in the second half. Farmer finished with 12 points and a team-high 10 rebounds.

Mentor might have lost 6-3 sophomore Caleb Potter and is still without 6-2 junior Jeff Foreman. Krizancic feared Potter cracked a rib during the game, and Foreman still is sidelined by a concussion suffered last week against Elyria.

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WESTLAKE, Ohio — Sophomore forward Gavin Skelly had hit just one shot entering the fourth quarter Friday night, but his 12-foot jumper along the baseline with 1:03 remaining in the game proved to be the difference, as Westlake defeated visiting Brecksville-Broadview Heights, 46-39. With the Demons leading by just three points after Brecksville junior guard Mark Chrzanowski buried a...

Westlake Demons

WESTLAKE, Ohio — Sophomore forward Gavin Skelly had hit just one shot entering the fourth quarter Friday night, but his 12-foot jumper along the baseline with 1:03 remaining in the game proved to be the difference, as Westlake defeated visiting Brecksville-Broadview Heights, 46-39.

With the Demons leading by just three points after Brecksville junior guard Mark Chrzanowski buried a 3-pointer from the right wing at the 5:51 mark of the fourth quarter, Skelly stepped into the shot and broke Westlake's scoring drought.

"I kept shooting and I kept missing," Skelly said. "I finally got the ball and said, 'I might as well shoot it.' I just shot the ball and it went in. I looked at the scoreboard, and we were up by five. I just get the ball and I shoot it. It doesn't go through my mind at all that it's a big-time shot. Every shot's the same thing."

Skelly's basket brought relief to coach Shawn Hood and the Westlake bench.

"It gave us a little bit of a cushion, and we wouldn't have to scramble on defense and we wouldn't have to do uncharacteristic defensive things because we were up five points," Hood said. "We could play them conservatively. We didn't have to press them. We could just stay with our man. I challenged him in the last timeout to come out and do something, and he did."

The Demons (9-0) remained in first place in the Southwestern Conference with the win.

"That's a great team there," Hood said of Brecksville (6-3). "They're very, very well-coached. I have tremendous respect for that coaching staff, and the players are good. When you play for first place, if you don't expect a difficult game, then you haven't watched sports."

Brecksville -- which played Friday without junior Tom Tupa because of a concussion -- gets back on the court today against Rhodes.

"I would rather get the kids right back on the floor again, playing," said Brecksville coach Steve Mehalik. "I told them if they bring that effort, we'll hopefully be OK."

The Bees started the game slowly on offense but finished the first eight minutes of play on an 8-5 run, due, in large part, to the 3-point shooting of sophomore guard Tim Tupa, who scored a game-high 21 points.

Brecksville trailed, 11-3, after Westlake senior guard Ezzat Assad hit a running jumper in the lane with 5:27 left in the first quarter. However, Tim Tupa's two 3-pointers, first from the left corner and then the left wing, helped close the gap heading into the second quarter.

The Demons went on a 6-2 run at the start of the second quarter and grew their advantage to nine points, 22-13, but the Bees capitalized on Westlake's foul trouble and used free-throw shooting to chip away at the deficit. As Westlake went into a nearly 51/2-minute scoring drought, Brecksville made 4 of 6 free throws and got a 3-pointer from the right wing at the 2:14 mark.

Brecksville kept Westlake off the scoreboard for the remainder of the half and trailed, 22-20, at the break.

"Early on, we were playing too fast," Mehalik said. "We were taking a bunch of quick shots and not getting the offensive rebounds. I think [our] zone kind of slowed us down to the point where we were able to attack the rim a little bit better."

Matt Florjancic is a freelance writer in Broadview Heights.

There has been a seemingly never-ending debate about the game of basketball: What's more important, inside play or guard play? In the Akron City Series there is no debate -- it's guards all the way.

There has been a seemingly never-ending debate about the game of basketball: What's more important, inside play or guard play?

In the Akron City Series there is no debate -- it's guards all the way.

Three of the top guards in Akron, if not the state, went head-to-head Friday night at East High School in a first-place showdown between the host Dragons and Kenmore. With Mycle Shadie scoring 28 points and Davonte Brunson adding 27, East pulled away in the second half for 81-62 victory.

The Dragons, ranked 22nd in The Plain Dealer Top 25, are 9-1 overall and 5-0 in the City Series. Kenmore, paced by Antonio Hearn's 20 points, had a six-game winning streak snapped to drop to 6-2, 4-1.

"[Shadie and Brunson] were just outstanding," Kenmore coach Brian Dawson said. "They're probably the two premier guards around."

Dawson also has an exceptional guard in Hearn, who was the focal point of East's game plan.

"It was a big game for us," Brunson said. "We just wanted to come out and play hard and stop Antonio Hearn."

Enter Nate Gibson and Isaiah Tucker, the two tasked with guarding Hearn. They face-guarded him much of the night, forcing Hearn to work just to receive the ball. And when Hearn used his incredible athleticism to get to the rim (the 5-9 senior had two slam dunks) there were several Dragons waiting for him in the lane.

"The key tonight was Gibson and Tucker," East coach Ross Fiorello said.

"We didn't want Hearn to get open looks because I've seen him just explode. But we couldn't take the energy needed to guard him from Shadie and Brunson. [Gibson and Tucker] allowed us to guard Hearn, who is one of the best players in the state."

Kenmore only led once, 4-3, just three minutes into the game, and the Dragons built up a 38-20 lead late in the second quarter. However, Hearn hit a pair of 3-pointers in the final 11 seconds to cut the margin to 10, 38-28.

The margin got as small as six when Oshay Vinson hit a midrange jumper to cut East's lead to 50-44 with 1:29 left in the third quarter.

But the Dragons went on an 8-0 run and Kenmore never got closer than 10 the rest of the way.

Brunson, who also is listed at 5-9, had an outstanding game, adding 13 rebounds, five assists and three steals to his 27 points. East is off the its best start in at least eight years despite playing eight of its games on the road. The Dragons travel to Firestone next week in another key matchup.

Joe Magill is a freelance writer in Cleveland.

Brown harbors no ill feelings toward Cavs owner Dan Gilbert, he said, or the franchise, which fired him in the weeks before James made his decision to leave for the Miami Heat.

View full sizeJohn Kuntz, Plain Dealer file photoLeBron James, left, and coach Mike Brown were both gone from Cleveland shortly after the Cavaliers lost to the Boston Celtics in the NBA playoffs in 2010.

LOS ANGELES, Calif. — Mike Brown says he's never watched a replay of the most scrutinized game in Cavaliers history -- Game 5 of the 2010 playoff series against the Boston Celtics.

In fact, the new Los Angles Lakers coach has not reviewed any of that series, Brown said, one that ultimately led to his dismissal as coach of the Cavs and LeBron James' departure from Cleveland.

Before Friday night's game against his old team in Staples Center, Brown reflected on his time with the Cavaliers and the superstar who both enriched him and also helped cost him a job after two seasons of 60-plus wins.

Brown said he doesn't believe James quit in the controversial Game 5 vs. the Celtics, but added: "You would have to ask him and ask others who may have an opinion. You know I wouldn't be in this seat without him."

The coach joked with Cleveland-area writers, gave Daniel Gibson a hug during the middle of a media scrum and said Cavs owner Dan Gilbert's son, Nick, should run for mayor on the strength of winning this year's draft lottery that netted the franchise Kyrie Irving.

Brown seemed upbeat and relaxed as he spoke of the differences in coaching James and Kobe Bryant, whom he says is more "businesslike." Brown harbors no ill feelings toward Gilbert, he said, or the franchise, which fired him in the weeks before James made his decision to leave for the Miami Heat.

"We just didn't get it done, and sometimes it happens," said Brown, who coached the Cavs for five seasons. "I respect that it's his team, it's his money. I've got a good life. I don't think it would be right if I was upset or I acted a different way when I'm making the type of money I'm making and a whole bunch of other people in the world are struggling and don't make near what I make and get fired every day."

Brown spent last season out of coaching, working as an analyst for ESPN before the Lakers hired him. During all the down time, he never popped in a DVD of the Cavaliers-Celtics series, Brown added.

"That's one time when I have not watched the tape," he said. "Once I got let go, I tossed the tape in the trash and said, 'You know what, I'm moving on to the next chapter of my life.' I have not gone back and dissected the series or anything like that. I took it as we got beat."

Was he surprised the Cavs fired him after leading them to the league's best regular-season record two seasons in a row?

"It was tough," said Brown, the NBA coach of the year during the 2008-09 season. "There was a lot of uneasiness with the LeBron situation. . . . Down in Miami, you have LeBron and Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, and everybody expects you to win a championship, and only one team can win a championship.

"It takes a lot of luck and a lot of skill and being in the right time and the right place for it to happen."

Brown said he exchanged several text messages with James after his dismissal, but added they don't keep in touch.

"He helped me get to this seat, and I will forever be thankful for what he has done for me and what he allowed me to do as far as coaching," Brown said.

Brown believes James will win a championship. The coach hopes he can get at least one more from the aging Bryant, who won five under former Lakers coach Phil Jackson.

"Both are good guys, both are competitive," Brown said "LeBron is a guy who likes to have fun, he likes to joke around and have people around him. And Kobe, not so much. He's a guy who has fun in his own ways, but his approach is more businesslike. That's not a negative, it's just personalities."

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The Lakers need 42 points from star Kobe Byant to subdue the Cavs, 97-92, in front of a sellout crowd in Los Angeles.

LOS ANGELES — Almost a year ago to the day, the Cleveland Cavaliers were embarrassed by the Los Angeles Lakers in Staples Center in a loss so lopsided it prompted the team's former superstar to tweet: "Karma is a *****."

Neither LeBron James nor anyone else was poking fun Friday night at the Cavaliers. They kept courtside luminaries Jack Nicholson and Adam Sandler in their seats and Kobe Bryant on the floor until the end.

The Lakers needed a sublime 42-point effort from Byant to subdue Cleveland, 97-92, in front of a sellout crowd of 18,997 fans. Byron Scott's club fell to 5-6, but none of its wins said more about the Cavaliers' improvement and resiliency than this defeat.

They trailed by 19 points in the third quarter but cut the deficit to three with 7:07 remaining behind a 21-point night from rookie guard Kyrie Irving and another solid outing from the Cavaliers' bench. Backup point guard Ramon Sessions had 12 points and rookie Tristan Thompson had nine. Daniel Gibson added nine points and three rebounds.

Even struggling forward Omri Casspi showed fight, contributing 11 points and sparring the night away with Lakers forward Matt Barnes. This hardly looked like the outfit that was steamrolled, 112-57, on Jan 11, 2011, during their NBA record 26-game losing streak.

But playing their second game in as many nights and their sixth straight on the road since Jan. 4, the deficit proved too much to overcome.

As well as Irving played, Kobe showed again Staples Center is his house and he made sure the 19-year rookie understood the rules from the outset. The five-time NBA champion, who hopes to win another title with former Cavs coach Mike Brown, hit 9 of 13 shots in the first half as the Lakers built a 59-41 lead.

He doesn't look like a 33-year-old playing with a torn ligament in his right wrist. It marked the third straight game Bryant scored 40 or more.

The Lakers' large front line gave the Cavaliers trouble, especially early. Forward Pau Gasol finished with 19 points and 10 rebounds. Center Andrew Bynum added 15 points and 11 boards.

But the Cavaliers chipped away in the second half despite shooting just 37.6 percent. It was a statement in itself that Brown felt it necessary to have his starters on the floor in the final seconds on a night before the Lakers faced the Clippers in their first meeting of the season.

Youngstown State's men's team falls at Valparaiso.

Valparaiso 76, Youngstown State 62 Kevin Van Wijk had 23 points and seven rebounds and Ryan Broekhoff added 14 points and eight rebounds as the host Crusaders (11-7, 4-2 Horizon League) defeated the Penguins (9-7, 4-2).

Richie Edwards scored 12 points for Valparaiso.

WUSTL 87, Case Western Reserve 71 The Spartans (8-5, 0-2 University Athletic Association) lost at home to Washington University in St. Louis (10-3, 2-0) for their third loss in a row. Austin Fowler scored 22 for Case.

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WUSTL 63, Case Western Reserve 38 The Spartans (8-5, 1-1 UAA) scored a season-low in their loss at home to the Bears (11-2, 1-1). Washington opened the second half with a 15-0 run.

Kent State pulled out its fifth victory in the past six games, but Bowling Green conquered a large second-half deficit to make it close.

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KENT, Ohio -- Following an uncharacteristic high-scoring performance in a 92-87 victory over Bowling Green, Kent State is searching for answers rather than focusing on successes.

The Golden Flashes scored the most points in a MAC game since a 111-point performance Feb. 15, 2006, against Buffalo, while recording the most first-half points (45) this season.

But the Falcons' nearly nonexistent offense in the first half turned into an explosive 60-point outburst in the second that nearly caused an upset Saturday night at M.A.C. Center.

"Our team is built on defense, and you wouldn't know that tonight," Kent State coach Rob Senderoff said. "We're going to have to get back to that grind mentality."

Kent State pulled out its fifth victory in the past six games, but Bowling Green conquered a large second-half deficit, forcing the Golden Flashes to refocus before entering the upcoming two-game road stretch against Ohio and Akron.

"As I told these guys, I don't think we can give up 60 points in the second half in either of these games and win," Senderoff said. "I would almost guarantee that one."

With the victory, Kent State (12-4, 2-1 Mid-American Conference) maintains sole possession of second place in the East Division, trailing Akron (11-6, 3-0) by one game.

The Golden Flashes led, 45-27, at halftime and opened the second half with much of the same intensity and held a 59-40 lead with 13:10 remaining.

Kent State's largest lead of the game would dissipate, however, as the Falcons started playing with what coach Louis Orr called "a whole different level of energy and toughness."

Kent State's defense may have started to ease up with the lead, but Bowling Green started to build the groundwork for a late-game comeback.

"We've got to stop looking at the scoreboard as much as we're doing and start playing basketball," Kent's Michael Porrini said.

As the Falcons started their tally toward 60-second half points, Kent State saw failures in areas that were great successes in the opening minutes.

"They did a great job of getting to the offensive glass in the second half," Senderoff said. "Us not getting any defensive rebounds in the second half, that was the key in [Bowling Green] getting back in the game."

The Golden Flashes had outrebounded the Falcons 20-14, in the first half, but Bowling Green outrebounded Kent State, 25-12, in the second.

The Falcons trailed by just six with 8:17 remaining. Kent State wouldn't falter, edging its way toward a five-point victory behind Justin Greene's 23 points.

"At the end of the day, we just couldn't get enough stops," Orr said.

With four rebounds in the winning effort, Greene now has 699 for his career. Just four players in Kent State history have tallied 700 rebounds.

Greene, who is averaging 20.7 points in MAC play, is just the ninth player in Kent State history to score more than 1,300 points, a feat he accomplished against Bowling Green.

Cody Erbacher is a freelance writer in Kent.

Tom Brady's six touchdown passes silenced Tebowmania.

AP PhotoDenver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow (15) talks with Broncos head coach John Fox during the second half Saturday's playoff game against the New England Patriots

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Tom Brady's way of dealing with Tebowmania was to silence it with a record-shattering performance.

Brady threw six touchdown passes, five in the first half, putting the New England Patriots into the AFC championship game after roughing up Tim Tebow and the Denver Broncos 45-10 Saturday night.

The Patriots (14-3), winners of nine straight games, will host either Baltimore or Houston next Sunday for a spot in the Super Bowl. Saturday night's romp snapped a three-game postseason losing streak, two of those at Gillette Stadium, and lifted the Patriots to the verge of their fifth Super Bowl appearance in 11 seasons. They've won three of those.

From the first snap, this was a mismatch. The Patriots were not going to make the same mistakes the Steelers made against this team.

A nation transfixed by Tebow's play, if not his principles, tuned in Saturday to see if he had more heroics in store for Brady and company. He had nothing left as the Patriots made this must-see TV only for those who live in New England.

With New England up 42-7, the fans began their derisive Teeee-bow chants. On the next play, the Broncos quarterback was sacked for an 11-yard loss — one of five sacks for New England's 31st-ranked defense.

And so ended one of the season's most exciting story lines — one that began when Denver was 1-4 and made Tebow a starter. The one-time third-stringer promptly won six in a row and seven of eight, with a string of stunning comebacks. That surge ended with a 41-23 home loss to New England, and the Broncos dropped their next two, backing into the AFC West title.

But they rebounded nicely in their first playoff game since the 2005 season with the longest overtime touchdown in playoff history, an 80-yard catch and run by Demaryius Thomas against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like everyone else on the Broncos' offense, Thomas was invisible against the Patriots. 

Denver couldn't cover or tackle All-Pro tight end Rob Gronkowski, who tied a postseason mark with three touchdown catches, all in the opening half. Brady toyed with the Broncos (9-9), throwing more TD passes than Tebow had completions (three) in the first 30 minutes.

His sixth TD was to his other tight end, Aaron Hernandez, as Brady tied Steve Young and Daryle Lamonica for the most in a postseason game.

The two-time league MVP threw for 5,235 yards during the season, second in NFL history to Drew Brees' 5,476 in 2011. He looked ready to get that much against the Broncos as he moved to third place in career touchdown passes in the playoffs with 36, trailing Joe Montana (45) and Brett Favre (44).

Brady was 26 for 34 for 363 yards and Gronkowski made 10 catches for 145 yards as the Patriots gained 509 yards in all. In stark contrast, Tebow was 9 for 26 for 136 yards.

The Broncos won the coin toss and elected to defer. Bad idea: They never were in the game after that.

Brady hit his first eight passes for 79 yards and two touchdowns. Offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien, who's leaving to become Penn State's coach once the Patriots are done, threw in a wrinkle by using Hernandez as a running back. On one of those plays, Hernandez broke free down the left sideline for a 43-yard gain, the team's longest run this season.

But with the ball in his hands and a 14-0 lead, Brady momentarily stumbled. His throw over the middle for Julian Edelman sailed directly to safety Quinton Carter, whose weaving return set up Denver at the New England 24.

Willis McGahee scored on a 5-yard run.

Carter left the game moments later with a neck injury; Denver was already without strong safety Brian Dawkins with a neck problem. And it's secondary had no chance without them.

Yes, Brady had cooled off in the 24-degree temperature (wind chill of 12), but only for a while.

Using the no-huddle, and aided by an effective running game, Brady hit three passes for 31 yards, with Gronkowski getting free over the middle this time for the 12-yard score. Several times, and not just on his romps into the end zone, Gronkowski simply shoved aside would-be tacklers to tack on yards after catches.

Brady's TDs covered 10, 12 and 19 yards to Gronkowski, 7 to Wes Welker, 61 to Deion Branch and 17 yards to Hernandez early in the third quarter. Coach Bill Belichick wasn't about to back off at that point, but the Patriots stalled inside the Denver 5 early in the four period and Stephen Gostkowski made a 21-yard field goal to conclude New England's scoring.

Hernandez left in the fourth quarter with a head injury.

There's plenty of personnel ideas in this week's mailbag.

View full sizeAP fileDavid Wright put up solid power numbers for the Mets over the last eight seasons, but with just one year left on his contract, he's not someone the Indians would be interested in, says Paul Hoynes.

Hey, Hoynsie: Just was watching the MLB Network and they suggested the Tribe make a run at David Wright. Matching Lonnie Chisenhall and a couple young pitchers such as David Huff and Corey Kluber could match up well. -- Chris Zanon, Canton

Hey, Chris: Like David Wright, don't like his contract. He'll make $15 million in 2012 and is eligible for free agency in 2013. Hate to lose Chisenhall for a one-year rental. One more thing, Wright played only 102 games last year because of a stress fracture in his back. Back injuries and the hot corner don't co-exist. Just ask Joe Crede.

Hey, Hoynsie: Given his excellent showing in the Arizona Fall League, will Jesus Aguilar start out at Class AA Akron this year? What has Nick Weglarz been doing this winter to improve his fitness and performance? Is he no longer viewed as a prospect? --

Hey, Mark: Aguilar is expected to start the year at Class A Carolina. Not sure how the Indians view Weglarz. To my knowledge most of his injuries have come from playing the game hard. Can't fault his conditioning for that.

Hey, Hoynsie: Can you tell me how the Indians regard Anthony Rizzo? I thought they may find an opportunity to acquire him from the Padres, but the Cubs got him for oft-injured Andrew Cashner and low-level outfielder. We all understand the Indians aren't going to spend big money on free agents, so why not take a chance on a top prospect at a position of need who would also be under team control for the next six seasons? The Indians built their entire roster by trading for other teams prospects and I was hoping Rizzo could be the big 1B to make up for the miss on Matt LaPorta. -- Ray Danner, Cleveland Heights

Hey, Ray: Grew up in Cleveland Heights. Used to buy 3.2 beer from Irv's Delicatessen on Coventry because they didn't check IDs. Great corned beef sandwiches.

The Indians liked Rizzo and talked to the Padres about him, but couldn't make a deal happen. New Cubs GM Jed Hoyer was the Padres GM when he acquired Rizzo from Boston in the Adrian Gonzalez deal. Maybe that helped make the deal go down.

Hey, Hoynsie: If the Tribe was interested in Carlos Beltran, what position was he going to play with our outfield already set and Travis Hafner at DH? Do you expect the Tribe to sign Joe Saunders so that they have a lefty in the rotation? -- Harrison Morgan, Cleveland

Hey, Harrison: Just a guess on my part, but Beltran played right field last year. I think they would have played him in right and moved Shin-Soo Choo to left and Michael Brantley would have become the fourth outfielder. Beltran, a switch-hitter, could have played a little center and spelled Hafner at DH as well.

I don't see the Tribe going after Saunders. They're focusing on offense. Lefties David Huff and Scott Barnes will be an option at Class AAA Columbus.

Hey, Hoynsie: What are the chances that the Indians make a full-time first baseman out of Carlos Santana and make Lou Marson the regular catcher with a veteran backup? -- Phil Williams, Charlotte, N.C.

Hey, Phil: Two things have to happen. The Indians have to swing and miss on their attempt to acquire a first baseman and Marson has to play like Johnny Bench in spring training. Care to make a bet on that happening?

Hey, Hoynsie: Being a fan since 1956, I am sorry to say it might be best if the fans decline to purchase tickets this year. An empty stadium might drive the point home that the fans are very upset. It might also drive the point home that it is time for the Dolans to sell the team. Enough is enough. I feel bad to suggest this, but it needs to be done. -- Jim Clark, Johnstown

Hey, Jim: You're not the first to make these two suggestions. You won't be the last.

I've covered the Indians since 1983. Seen a lot of bad teams, including three that lost more than 100 games in a season, operated by questionable ownership and management, but Cleveland fans have never turned their back on the Tribe in the manner which you suggest.

Hey, Hoynsie: I keep hearing some Sabermetric stat (not sure what it is called) about Asdrubal Cabrera having very poor range at shortstop, even worse than Jhonny Peralta. To me I don't see it. I think Cabrera, Omar Vizquel and, perhaps, John McDonald, are the best shortstops I've seen play for the Indians. Am I right or are they right? -- Paul Welling, Rossford

Hey, Paul: Like you, A-Cab passes my eye test. That being said, he probably cost himself a Gold Glove last year because of his inability to consistently make the routine play. He made only 15 errors with 236 putouts and 386 assists, but it was clear his range decreased in the second half.

One stat used for measuring a player's defense is Range Factor (putouts + assists x nine divided by defensive innings played). Cabrera finished 10th among AL shortstops with a range factor of 4.08. Baltimore's JJ Hardy was first at 4.88 and Peralta was seventh at 4.34.

Cabrera played more games and innings than Hardy or Peralta.

Hey, Hoynsie: Is Rudy Regalado, the Indians' third base spring-training star from long ago, still alive? -- Leon Hodkey, Cantonment, Fla.

Hey, Leon: A check with baseball-reference.com shows Rudy, the red-hot rapper (as in hitter not singer), is 81 and still alive. He played with the Indians from 1954-56. Bob DiBiasio, Indians vice president of public relations, said Regalado lives in San Diego.

Hey, Hoynsie: There's a lot of talk about Cleveland needing a first baseman. Knowing they aren't willing to spend big bucks, why not move Carlos Santana to first, and bring in catcher Ivan Rodriguez? He's affordable and would be a great presence in the clubhouse and could help the young pitching staff. This one move would certainly be what the Indians need. -- Lewis Johnson, Columbus

Hey, Lewis: Like your line of reasoning. Would like it even more if Pudge was 35 instead of 40. He caught only 44 games last season with the Nationals.

Hey, Hoynsie: If the Angels are contemplating moving Mark Trumbo to third base and the Indians have a great third-base prospect in Lonnie Chisenhall, wouldn't you think there might be a match there? -- Jim Casey, Mentor

Hey, Jim: Sounds like the Angels are going to hang onto Trumbo.

Hey, Hoynsie: Is it true that after turning Jason Donald into a third baseman that he might be an outfielder now? I thought I had read that GM Chris Antonetti differed from Mark Shapiro in valuing the perceived worth of playing fielders out of position. -- Tony Miller, German Village

Hey, Tony: Donald is going to spring training trying to make the club as a utility player. He'll see time at second, short, third, left field and center. Donald impressed with the way he took to the outfield during the Arizona Instructional League. More importantly, he gives them a right-handed bat to put in the lineup at a variety of positions.

Donald hit .318 (42-for-132) in 39 games last year. Against lefties, he hit .377 (23-for-61).

-- Hoynsie

Although it happened nearly 16 years ago, Legg's wrap-around, lacrosse-type maneuver during an NCAA tourney game remains a play often viewed on the internet.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Frozen Diamond Faceoff at Progressive Field on Sunday features an Ohio State ice hockey team hoping to build a legacy that future Buckeyes teams can build on.

And it features a hockey program that is, arguably, the most tradition-laden among American schools. Michigan's Wolverines' count among their many achievements more national championships than any other NCAA school: nine of them.

Tradition is built on winning games and those games are built on winning plays.

Michigan's Mike Legg made many big plays, including a goal during the 1996 NCAA Tournament West Regional final against Minnesota that tied the game, 2-2. The Wolverines went on to a 4-3 win. They would defeat Colorado College, 3-2, in the national championship game for their eighth title.

Legg's goal wasn't simply an important one during a championship run. It was unique in how he made it happen, a goal that remains famous to this day.

Legg, behind the Golden Gopher goalie's left side of the net, deftly picked the puck up on to his stick, and in lacrosse-like fashion with the puck gently nestled on to the blade, wrapped it around into the top corner of the net.

The play quickly became known to hockey fans around the world, and grew in fame over subsequent years as more and more people saw it on the internet. ESPN.com, on April 8, 2010, published a lengthy feature story, including an interview with Legg, titled "The coolest goal ever scored in hockey."

In 1996, the magazine "Inside Hockey" gave Legg the "Goal of the Year" award. The stick Legg used was given to the Hockey Hall of Fame.

The maneuver used by Legg is now often called a "Michigan." Occasionally, a gifted player will try to replicate the play.

The move, by some accounts, may have been first used by Bill Armstrong, who played college hockey at Western Michigan from 1986-89 and then played for several American Hockey League and National Hockey League teams until the late 1990s. He played one game for the Philadelphia Flyers in the 1990-91 season.

Legg played for several minor league teams from 1997-2003.

Video: From youtube.com. Michigan's Mike Legg, during an NCAA tournament game nearly 16 years ago, scores a goal that remains an internet favorite among hockey fans to this day:

Video: Another video, via youtube.com, of Mike Legg's famous goal:

Video: From youtube.com. Mikael Granlund, using the maneuver made famous by Legg, scores to help eventual champion Finland defeat Russia, 3-0, in an IIHF World Hockey Championship semifinal on May 13, 2011:

Hmmm... would it be a surprise if the draft remains the focus for Browns fans in this week's mailbag?

View full sizeJoshua Gunter, The Plain DealerThere's only two, three, four months left of Matt Flynn speculation?

Hey, Tony: OK, Matt Flynn has shown some spark. Would you, if you were the Browns braintrust, try to sign him and use your draft picks to shore up other holes or try to trade those picks to get the best college QB you can get? -- David Heitmeyer, Milford

Hey, David: I definitely would research Flynn to the fullest. I would only pursue him if I thought he could take the team to the Super Bowl. I don't know that answer right now. Sure, the Browns have many holes that need to be filled. But if they don't have a franchise quarterback on the team now, they are not going anywhere until they find one.

Hey, Tony: In his press conference Mike Holmgren said "we have three good QBs on our team now." What can you tell me about Thad Lewis? -- Norman Bowles, Wartburg, Tenn.

Hey, Norman: Lewis was acquired in September after the Rams released him. Pat Shurmur had him in camp last year and liked his accuracy in a couple of preseason games. Nobody has really seen the guy play, except Shurmur.

Hey, Tony: Concerning the possibility of Greg Little returning to the backfield as he was in college. Instead of full time, could he not be in formation there to give D coordinators something else to consider? Perhaps a shorter pass in space might enhance his YAC and his confidence as well? -- Mark Monroe, Martinez, Calif.

Hey, Mark: One of the things the Browns liked about Little was his experience at running back at UNC and his style of running "hard" after a catch. But I think they would rather have him line up as a true wide receiver. Your idea is something I've advocated for Josh Cribbs, but my wishes always fall on deaf ears.

Hey, Tony: After listening to Holmgren and Heckert speak, it reiterated my theory as to why the Browns have been so consistently poor since 1999. It starts at the top with Randy Lerner. He has to be the only owner in the entire NFL that is completely invisible to the public. He never speaks out about our lack of success, our dearth of talent, our need to win now, etc., like all of the other owners when their teams fail. I think the fact that he is invisible and doesn't put any pressure on the people below him causes the front office personnel to lack any sense of urgency, which is why we always hear that "it is a process" when we are terrible instead of becoming the 49ers or even the Bengals who became playoff teams in one year. Your thoughts? -- Josh McRoberts, Shaker Heights

Hey, Josh: Lerner isn't the only NFL owner invisible to his team's public. Others who shun the limelight are multibillionaire Paul Allen of Seattle and Stan Kroenke of St. Louis. A few others are nearly invisible.

Hey, Tony: 1. Have you heard anything about Ben Tate? I know the Texans are still playing, so they aren't really thinking about next year yet, but would you think the Browns try anything to scoop him? 2. You're not a huge fan of the trade with Atlanta last year, but if the Browns get a similar offer from a team desperate for a QB, and there's one available, do you make it and try to stack up more picks again next year, while getting a late first-round pick this year too? -- Nick D., Nashville, Tenn.

Hey, Nick: 1. I don't see any reason why the Texans would part with Tate. He is under contract and he is a fine player. 2. If the Browns trade out of the top 10 again -- it would be three times in four years -- I will scream.

Hey, Tony: Does Dick Jauron know they can rush more than four guys? I appreciate the defense being much improved but when you have two games with Big Ben on a bad ankle limiting his mobility and struggling to step into his throws, you rush at least six, forcing him to act quick. All year they rush four and throw in a surprise with five and right now our defensive line is not good enough to get pressure fast enough with just four rushing. -- Brian W., Erie, Pa.

Hey, Brian: There is another theory: You blitz a great quarterback and he will beat you almost every time. Jauron's philosophy is to rush four or five and cover with six or seven.

Hey, Tony: Mike Holmgrem listed several variables as to why the Browns' record was what is it was. I was disappointed that no one asked about other teams with similar variables and yet they all got better. Every team with a new coach (no off-season) improved its record. Cam Newton came from a simple offense in college and was fun to watch. I think the reporters let the administration off the hook. -- Jim Jones, Las Vegas

Hey, Jim: By any definition, the Browns had a terrible season. Or as Charles Barkley would say, "Turrible."

Hey, Tony: I appreciate your cryptic recent season evaluation of rookie WR Greg Little catching up from a missed college season and still gaining 709 receiving yards. From your perspective is this good for a No. 2 WR? Should the Browns keep Mohamed Massaquoi as No. 3? Are their any established young free agent WRs that the Browns should go after? -- Alan Fojt, Manassas, Va.

Hey, Alan: I think Little's ceiling is as a No. 2 receiver. I believe the Browns need to pursue a legitimate No. 1 receiver in free agency and also draft a receiver high. If all of that happened, Massaquoi's roster spot would be threatened.

View full sizeJoshua Gunter, The Plain DealerSome fans will always embrace Peyton Hillis, but Tony sees little evidence that either player or team is making much progress toward re-establishing a relationship for 2012.

Hey, Tony: I think Peyton Hillis has reclaimed his status as a blue-collar hero. The Browns need to do everything they can to resign him to a two- or three-year contract and draft Robert Griffin III with the fourth pick. Why let Hillis leave and draft Trent Richardson? This is just treading water and not improving the team as much as they could. -- Gary Parker, Bucyrus

Hey, Gary: The gap between what the Browns think Hillis is worth and what Hillis thinks he is worth is as wide as ever. Remember that it takes two sides to make a deal. I believe he will leave in free agency. I don't think the Browns will draft Richardson unless he is still on the board at No. 22. Griffin at No. 4? I think there's a 50-50 chance he could be there for the Browns. I don't think anyone knows at this point if they would take him.

Hey, Tony: There was once an NFL quarterback whose record for his first full season was 0-11. And he had a lot more protection and much better talent around him than Colt McCoy had this season. Since that quarterback (Troy Aikman) is now in the Hall of Fame, why are people so eager to press the panic button for McCoy, since there is really no way to know at this point how good he really might be? -- Mark Kaufman, Silver Lake

Hey, Mark: Citing the example of Aikman in no way assures that McCoy can follow the same path.

Hey, Tony: Buy or sell the notion that the West Coast offense is outdated in today's NFL? -- Michael Cosgray, Cincinnati

Hey, Michael: Green Bay, New Orleans, Philadelphia, San Francisco all operate variations of the West Coast offense. I don't think it's outdated by any measure. It's all about players -- not systems.

Hey, Tony: Would the Colts accept our fourth, 36th and Joe Thomas or Jabaal Sheard for their first? I would agree to this trade for Andrew Luck in a heartbeat, would you too? -- Maxwell Park, Novato, Calif.

Hey, Maxwell: Don't even conjure up trade scenarios with Indianapolis. The Colts will draft Andrew Luck and will not trade the pick.

Hey, Tony: I watched Browns Insider and heard you predict that Seneca Wallace would beat out Colt McCoy next year. What have you been smoking? Wallace isn't nearly as talented as McCoy. As the late, great Hal Lebovitz used to say, "I'll bet you a chocolate soda that McCoy is our starter!" -- Steve Bohnenkamp, Geneva, Ill.

Hey, Steve: I think their skill sets are similar, except that Wallace has a slightly stronger arm and more NFL experience.

Hey, Tony: What are Reggie Hodges' chances of getting back for 2012? -- Rob S., Ukiah, Calif.

Hey, Rob: The Browns expect Hodges to return for the beginning of training camp.

Hey, Tony: In your opinion, is Colt McCoy a better quarterback than Brady Quinn? -- John Ceccoli, Huron

Hey, John: Yes.

Hey, Tony: Everyone is talking offense. But our run defense was one of the worst in the league last year, and this team is going nowhere until we get better in that area. What do you see the Browns doing in the off-season? -- Jon M., Cleveland Heights

Hey, Joe: First, I think a second year in Dick Jauron's system will have a positive effect on the run defense. Players should be more disciplined in staying in their gaps. Second, a linebacker with speed should be added and the safety position has to be reassessed.

View full sizeMarvin Fong, The Plain DealerWas Phil Savage an important part of the Ravens before coming to Cleveland? Ozzie Newsome hasn't seemed to have missed him very much.

Hey, Tony: Ozzie Newsome just stated that "since this franchise started in 1996, we've established a strong history of retaining our most important executives, players, coaches and personnel experts." What does this say about their thinking about George Kokinis and Phil Savage, and what are those guys doing now? -- Tom P., Chapel Hill, N.C.

Hey, Tom: It says that Newsome didn't mind losing both those men. Kokinis has since rejoined the Ravens in a personnel capacity. Savage is a color analyst on University of Alabama radio broadcasts and also is a part-time consultant with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Hey, Tony: Over the year you've expressed a need for speed/playmakers on offense. Joe Adams of Arkansas is always a big play waiting to happen. With a third or fourth-round pick the Browns can then officially replace a slowing Josh Cribbs. -- Brandon M., Akron

Hey, Brandon: I can think of a few offensive players I would seek to replace. Cribbs is not one of them.

Hey, Tony: This isn't to say the Browns won't make some kind of move at QB, but why did you say on Browns Insider that you think they'd start Seneca Wallace over Colt McCoy? Seneca came in this season and didn't make the offense look any better. -- Paul Straub, Orlando, Fla.

Hey, Paul: What I said was if there was a true competition for the starting job, some believe that Seneca Wallace would beat out Colt McCoy.

Hey, Tony: Already there is movement and activity on other teams concerning offensive coordinators. When do the Browns get into the mix of talking to a potential offensive coordinator or is this on the five-year plan as well? -- Lou Kovach, Cary, N.C.

Hey, Lou: Pat Shurmur has talked to potential coordinator candidates. While many teams are transparent about their coaching searches, the Browns remain very secretive and defensive.

Hey, Tony: Instead of everybody beating up on Colt McCoy all the time, why don't we give him another year to develop and go after what's really wrong with this team like dropped passes, missed blocks and missed tackles. These are basic skills that players are already getting paid to do. If I did my job like some of these guys I'd get fired. -- Don McGeley, Neffs

Hey, Don: Agreed. But what about all the throws off target? The balls batted at the line of scrimmage? The roll-right, throw-left interceptions?

Hey, Tony: It is very possible that two QBs and WR Justin Blackmon go before we pick in the draft. If the best offensive lineman, such as USC's Ryan Kalil, is staring you in the face, do you take him? I know he is a LT, but put him at RT to give us the best offensive tackle tandem in the league for the next five years or so? I understand we need playmakers, but you could get them with our next two high picks. -- Nathan Cornell, Minneapolis

Hey, Nathan: Kalil probably will be taken third by the Vikings. It's really too early to be projecting who goes where. We don't even know the full roster of juniors entering the draft yet.

Hey, Tony: I was curious if you think that if Mike Holmgren had come here as coach in 2010 instead of team president if he would have settled on Jake Delhomme to run his offense year one, and taken a third-round flyer on Colt McCoy as his future QB. It seems to me being the QB expert Mike is that he would have made a huge emphasis on QB from day one as head coach, so why not do so as team president? It's year three and we still have no idea who the QB of the future is. -- Michael Spitale, Galena

Hey, Michael: Holmgren's calls on the quarterbacks -- which include Seneca Wallace -- have not exactly been on the mark.

Hey, Tony: I am watching the Bengals' playoff game and now have this take: We have got to get a No. 1 wide receiver. We need a No. 2 receiver. Please do not let me hear "process" again. The Browns fans can not take it any more. We can't trade down to get more "bodies." I will take A.J. Green over three Jordan Camerons, nine Owen Marecics and four Buster Skrines. Get the wide receivers, make the third and fourth round count on defense and plug the line with a free agent or two. Pay Phil Dawson. Please get someone, anyone who can call plays. And we will be in the playoffs next year. It is that simple. Even with Colt McCoy it is that simple. (See T.J. Yates.) -- Jeff House, Orlando, Fla.

Hey, Jeff: I hear ya.

Hey, Tony: Your points regarding a sense of urgency and Seneca Wallace, are just the latest in a recent but long list of distressing and discouraging reports on Mike Holmgren and Co., their demeanor, words and actions. I trust your reads on body language, translating what they say and what that really means. With seemingly money to spend in free agency, the fourth pick in the draft and a 2012 schedule laden with the opportunity for success, why do these multi-million dollar experts seemingly "fail to get it?" At this point, truly, I would rather have you, Terry Pluto and Mary Kay Cabot in charge of the Browns. -- Wayne Hopewell, Colorado City, Colo.

Hey, Wayne: I think they get it. I also think their philosophies are rooted in a different era of the NFL, when teams were built over a five-year period. I think the tempo has to be quickened.

View full sizeChristian Murdock, MCTBrodrick Bunkley (77) played in the postseason for the Broncos ... which wasn't bad for a guy who couldn't pass the Browns' preseason inspection.

Hey, Tony: Did the combined number of solo tackles made by Austin English, Scott Paxson, Brian Sanford and Brian Schaefering equal the number made by the guy our doctors said was injured, but played in all 16 games for the Broncos, Brodrick Bunkley? -- Randy Russell, Pepper Pike

Hey, Randy: I've got Bunkley with 33 solo tackles and the Browns Fab Four with 34. So there.

Hey, Tony: Who is generally considered the next best QB option in the draft after Luck? -- Doug Shaffer, Orange, Calif.

Hey, Doug: Robert Griffin III.

Hey, Tony: I have submitted legitimate questions (that provoke some sincere thought about the Browns, and have nothing to do with prior coaching regimes) and you've ignored them. -- Jim Jarrell, Lakewood

Hey, Jim: I don't recall ignoring your questions. Send another next week.

Hey, Tony: Clearly, the wide receiver position is one of significant need. I think Dwayne Bowe would be a perfect fit for this team. A young, polished WR who is entering his prime. The Browns have over $30 million in cap space. Bowe would fill a huge need. Pairing him up with Little, Cribbs, Norwood, and possibly drafting another WR would make this a respectable receiving corps. -- Ronnie Jay, Medina

Hey, Ronnie: I'm not sure Bowe would qualify as a No. 1 receiver, but he might be better than anything the Browns have at the position. I have been advocating signing a big-name receiver in free agency and also drafting one.

Hey, Tony: Why isn't Josh Cribbs our third-down back? He can pick up blitzes, catch passes out of the backfield where he would be covered by a linebacker, or create mismatches elsewhere if he is covered by a safety. Judging by his rushing from the wildcat and his overall yards after contact, he would be a credible rushing threat from the running back position. -- Rich Lowrie, Gates Mills

Hey, Rich: I have thought the same for years, but three different head coaches have not agreed with me.

Hey, Tony: I watched the Saints-Lions wild card game. If any Browns fan or team president wants to know what an elite franchise QB looks like they should have watched this game as well. Both Drew Brees and Matthew Stafford dropped back in the pocket and within less than two seconds delivered strike after strike after strike. I'm sick and tired of the Browns trying to develop marginal or mid-round picks into our franchise QB. I hope they find a way to get Andrew Luck because its the only way we are going to make any progress. -- Steve Jones, Youngstown, Ohio

Hey, Steve: Amen.

Hey, Tony: Which do you think has been worse for the Browns since the return: Drafting or developing the draft picks? -- Chadrick McNeal, Elida

Hey, Chadrick: Tough one. I'd say drafting.

Hey, Tony: I believe it is so critical that the Browns trade up for Andrew Luck, that in addition to our top two picks we should add Joe Thomas to the deal. He will be past his prime and/or retired by the time we get an elite QB in here that's worth blocking for, much less take us to the Super Bowl. -- Mike Moore, Erie, Pa.

Hey, Mike: Forget it. With the return of the salary cap, trading Thomas would have expensive cap repercussions. I can't recall the last Pro Bowl left tackle that switched teams through trade.

Hey, Tony: I agree that good NFL teams are good at drafting players. Tom Heckert's draft in 2010 reads like this: McCoy, Lauvao, Geathers, Hardesty, Ward, Haden, Asante, Mitchell. Looking back his picks don't look very good. I'm thinking C+. What is you grade? -- Frank DeSarro, Duryea, Pa.

Hey, Frank: McCoy and Hardesty had the ability to make this a tremendous draft. Obviously it is not turning out that way. Haden is a solid cornerback. Ward is not nearly in his class. Lauvao could be a starting guard for a lot of years. The rest speak for themselves.

Hey, Tony: I understand your point on every move being a waste without a sure franchise QB, but I also don't think it's smart to sell the farm on a QB no one is even close to sure about yet. Lastly I don't think we stockpiled picks to get one player; you stockpile to load up talent, so I say get Trent Richardson and Michael Floyd-type picks, fill in the RT and OLB spot and some others in free agency and draft, and then if Colt McCoy can't get it done, next year we need what? One major thing for sure. -- DeShannus Gray, Sacramento, Calif.

Hey, DeShannus: So they plod on for another year, hoping the breaks fall their way for a winning year? It doesn't happen by accident.

Hey, Tony: I read Terry Pluto's article as to why he thinks the Browns will pass on RG3, and I have to disagree with him and wanted to get your take. RG3 reminds me of Michael Vick a lot, especially physically. But a young Mike Vick without the ego, attitude, and considerably smarter. -- Ryan F., South Euclid

Hey, Ryan: Griffin has similar physical skills as Vick. Over a long period of time, Vick has learned to stay in the pocket more, but his running still causes him to get injured too much. Interestingly, I'm told that Heckert was not a big fan of bringing Vick to Philadelphia. That was solely Reid's doing.

Hey, Tony: Aside from Nick Foles, it doesn't look like there is a tall, strong-armed QB in this draft, except for Luck. Ryan Mallett is sitting behind Tom Brady in New England and is big with a rocket arm. Would you consider him if you were GM? -- Andy Pacyna, Milwaukee

Hey, Andy: I really like his arm, but he's far from a finished product. In a few years, he'll be a free agent. I'd revisit him then.

Hey, Tony: It would seem if Cleveland does not draft either RG3 or Richardson from Alabama, however infuriating, the Browns' best bet would be to trade down with either Miami, Washington, or a low teens team. What would it take the Browns to get in return for you to not want to jump off the bridge you often mention? -- Eliot Clasen, Cape Coral, Fla.

Hey, Eliot: I'm not opposed to trading down from No. 4 to, say, No. 6. But those free falls out of the top 10 to the 20s are a recipe for mediocrity. I'm getting a bad vibe on this draft, by the way. My early vibe is the Browns feel the best bang for their buck at No. 4 will be for a defensive player, or a trade down.

Hey, Tony: I know you've stated in the past that games from out of division aren't always rotated evenly, but why is the Browns' game vs. the Chargers not in San Diego next year? The Browns have played at Oakland five times of the last eight seasons and will again in 2012. Conversely, the Browns have played at San Diego once since 1992. Why not factor this in when making the schedules? Second, don't you think Ted Thompson would give Holmgren some inside information on Matt Flynn based on their past relationship and that they aren't even in the same conference? -- Andrew C, San Diego

Hey, Andrew: There are multiple factors involved with the scheduling of games, particularly with West Coast opponents. The league tries to ease the travel concerns of the West Coast teams, which annually travel more miles than other teams. As for Flynn, the Browns shouldn't lean on Thompson's evaluation. They have to do their own homework on Flynn.

Hey, Tony: If an experienced head coach like John Fox can play Tim Tebow the way he played best for Florida -- out of the shotgun -- do you think our very inexperienced head coach will consider doing the same with the now shell-shocked QB Colt McCoy, who also played out of a shotgun at Texas? -- Tom Thomas, Palm Coast, Fla.

Hey, Tom: It's apples and oranges. Fox is a defensive specialist, so he is not tied to a particular offensive system. Pat Shurmur was brought to Cleveland with the marching orders to install the West Coast offense. A quarterback in that system has to operate in the pocket to allow the pass patterns to develop. If he can't, then a new quarterback must be found.

Hey, Tony: Whatever happened to the DE/LB (whose name escapes me) that "Winslowed" his bike on I-77 last year? Was he cut? Will he be back next year? -- George Amer, Gallatin, Tenn.

Hey, George: Marcus Benard was not seen in the locker room after his motorcycle accident, but he is expected to be back in training camp in July. It was I-71, by the way.

Hey, Tony: In regard to Matt Flynn, you said the Browns should ignore the last game where he set team records and evaluate Flynn on practice video. Are other teams' practice video available? -- Jimmy Brock, Berkeley, Calif.

Hey, Jimmy: Yes.

Hey, Tony: I was wondering the next time you talk to Mike Holmgren, can you ask him to watch the Saints and Packers, or even the Giants, please. If he doesn't think we need a quarterback and still maintains our receivers are good he needs to watch those teams and compare. -- Justin Coulter, Austintown

Hey, Justin: Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning? Those quarterbacks are in another league than the Browns' signal-callers. Same with their receivers, but I think it starts with the guys throwing the ball.

Hey, Tony: Now that Romeo Crennel has been named the coach of the Chiefs, what does that do to the money still owed to him by the Browns? Along those lines, who's left that's still getting paid and for how long? Thanks! -- Dave Peter, Port St. Lucie, Fla.

Hey, Dave: I believe Crennel's contract with the Browns ran out at the conclusion of the 2011 season. He is off their books.

Hey, Tony: Sometimes it seems that you're tippy-toeing around question when you're interviewing Mike Holmgren. He is getting paid a lot of money and should be able to answer the blunt questions. Such as: 1.) You got rid of Eric Mangini because he didn't win enough games. Why do you consider this year a success? 2.) You said we could have easily been 7-9, but Mangini's teams could have been, too, and they beat two playoff teams and took another to OT. 3.) You led us to believe a better offensive output and the points per game this year were less than last year. Now, I'm ready to stay the course with Shurmur, but why can't you ask these tough questions? -- Rick DelPrado, Middletown, Conn.

Hey, Rick: Wow, you ask some tough questions. Have you considered auditioning for 60 Minutes? Listen, the Browns had a horrible season in 2011. Would it make you feel any better if Holmgren said, "We had a horrible season?"

Hey, Tony: What do you find more ironic and comment on both? The fact that Atlanta sent us a bounty of picks for the one receiver that would make their offense elite and get them to the Super Bowl and then they went out and scored zero offensive points in the playoffs. Or, the fact that the Browns, who are in desperate need of any playmakers, finally get one good enough to make the cover of Madden and we only can possibly keep him two years and then he walks? -- Nathan Cornell, Minneapolis

Hey, Nathan: Only in Cleveland, huh?

Hey, Tony: Why didn't the Browns look at Marty Schottenheimer as a potential head coach -- before hiring Shurmur? Apparently, Marty might get back in at Tampa Bay. In my view, it must have been Mike Holmgren's huge ego that didn't allow him to at least interview Marty for the Browns job last year. Granted he's never led a team to the Super Bowl (to date), but I'd take Marty's skills over Shurmur's any day. -- Terry Holzemer, Palo Alto, Calif.

Hey, Terry: Schottenheimer. That's a name I thought I didn't have to worry about spelling anymore.

Hey, Tony: Assuming the Colts take Luck, the Rams take either Justin Blackmon or Trent Richardson, the Vikings take Blackmon (if still there) or O-Line help, and RG3 falls to the Browns, do you pick him? Or drop down, say to No. 9 (Miami) or No. 6 (Washington)? If you do trade down, who would you then select? -- Jim Plunkett, Sunrise, Fla.

Hey, Jim: The fact is I don't have an answer at this time. The draft is more than three months away. I happen to believe that RG3 will drop to the Browns' pick at No. 4. But that could change. Would the Browns trade down if he were available to them? Right now, I'm thinking yes, but that could change.

Hey, Tony: I'm wondering what you think of Houston QB Case Keenum? I've watched him play in several games, including this year's bowl game, and the kid looked great. Could he be a later-round QB selection for Cleveland? -- David Ianniello, North Haven, Conn.

Hey, David: Holmgren will take a quarterback somewhere in the draft, so Keenum is a possibility in the later rounds.

Hey, Tony: What do you think of LaMichael James? Neither Ray Rice nor LeSean McCoy were first-round picks. I think James is from a similar mold and was extremely productive in college. -- Jack Bacevice, Cleveland

Hey, Jack: Definitely a possibility.

Hey, Tony: Holmgrem, Heckert and Shurmur all have the same agent (Bob LaMonte). Does he represent any key free agents that the Browns might take a look at? Is it normal in the NFL for an agent to have so much influence on one team? -- Robby Whitmyer, Louisville, Ohio

Hey, Robby: LaMonte represents coaches and executives exclusively.

Hey, Tony: Colt is a hell of a person but he just isn't a starting QB. I've read enough of Flynn for now, here are two more I'd like to hear your opinion on: Jason Campbell, who was playing well before getting injured and can run our offense well. And also T.J. Yates. I watched him play several times this year and he is very, very composed in the pocket and can make the throws. Neither of which will cost us a Luck/Flynn ransom and could be a qualified starter. -- Jamie, Pemberville, Ohio

Hey, Jamie: Campbell has a good arm but has not accomplished much in his career because he has been saddled with numerous offensive coordinator changes. He is a free agent. Yates is a rookie who helped the Texans make the playoffs after their top two quarterbacks were injured. He is under contract and not available.

Hey, Tony: What would your initial reaction be if the Browns were to acquire Flynn or Kevin Kolb; then draft RG3 with the fourth pick? -- Jeremy Trifero, Seattle

Hey, Jeremy: Acquiring either Flynn or Kolb in free agency (or trade) would be to free up the draft to fill other holes. So I wouldn't expect them to then draft Griffin at No. 4 if they did so.

Hey, Tony: QBs make WRs, WRs don't make QBs. It would seem that it is imperative that the Browns draft RG3 and draft WR later (they do need somebody to throw to). Can the Browns afford to sit at 4 to draft him or should they trade with St Louis to stop other teams from getting him? -- Gerard Fitzgerald, Ireland

Hey, Gerard: If the Browns really want Griffin, they have to be prepared to move up for him. I think there's a chance he falls to No. 4. But I'm not positive he is their No. 1 target at this time.

Hey, Tony: Any chance the Browns would trade for Patriots backup QB Ryan Mallett? He has the size/arm strength we need and probably learned a lot behind Brady. -- Bill Russ, Virginia Beach, Va.

Hey, Bill: Whatever Mallett learned behind Brady won't help him much in the West Coast offense, which is different from what the Patriots run. I wouldn't be interested in Mallett.

Hey, Tony: Do you think Tebow's success demonstrates the league's inability to evaluate QB prospects due to their rigid focus on individual skills and subjective intangibles vs. simply "does he make plays and win?" No wonder the last 30 years are littered with can't-miss first-round failures. -- Steve Cornelius, Avon Lake

Hey, Steve: There are always examples of players who outperform their pre-draft evaluations. Tebow was taken in the first round, after all, so Josh McDaniels saw in him what you state.

-- Tony

The formula, it seems, is some combination of leadership, stability, buy-in across the board, talent (especially at quarterback) and tough love.

View full sizeChris Morris, The Plain DealerMike Holmgren is determined to go against the forces that have kept the Browns from success in the NFL. But what strategies actually work?

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- There was a time when the Pittsburgh Steelers stunk.

Perennial Pro Bowl linebacker Andy Russell remembers it well. The players would call meetings to try to figure out why. They wondered whether they suffered flawed psyches. They talked about whether they were playing hard enough.

From 1964-68, the Steelers won no more than five games in a season. They won just two games twice.

Then coach Chuck Noll arrived.

"He's the guy," Russell said, "that changed the entire mind-set."

How Noll and other NFL coaches and executives who built reputations as turnaround specialists reversed the culture of losing can provide a road map for the Browns. Names such as Marv Levy with Kansas City and Buffalo; Marty Schottenheimer with the Browns, Kansas City and San Diego; Gil Brandt with Dallas; Dan Reeves in Denver, New York and Atlanta; and Ron Wolf in Green Bay all offered ideas from their own experiences.

The formula, it seems, is some combination of leadership, stability, buy-in across the board, talent (especially at quarterback) and tough love.

Soon after landing the job, Noll, who played for the Browns under coach Paul Brown and prepped at Benedictine, called Russell to his office. The linebacker expected praise for making his first Pro Bowl.

"As I walked into his office, he was doing some paperwork," said Russell, who retired after the 1976 season. "He pointed at me and said, 'Russell, I've been watching game films since I took the job, and I don't like the way you play. You're too aggressive, you're too impatient, you're out of control, you're trying to be the hero, and that's an unacceptable way to play. Your techniques are flawed, so I'm going to have to change the way you play.'"

Noll's first speech to the team wasn't much kinder.

"'I've watched the games, and I can tell you why you're losing,'" Russell recalled his new coach saying as the room went silent. "'The reason you've been losing is you're not any good. You can't run fast enough, can't jump high enough, you're not quick enough, and I'm going to have to get rid of most of you.'"

Five guys in the room that day survived to be part of the Steelers' first Super Bowl victory.

"And I was one of the lucky ones," Russell said.

That took four years. The Steelers slipped to 1-13 in 1969, Noll's first year. Then they went 5-9 and 6-8 before finally busting through the dark cloud over Pittsburgh, going 11-3 in 1972.

Browns President Mike Holmgren, as he explained when hired in late 2009, reminded the media in his postseason news conference on Jan. 5 that there is no quick fix for a franchise with just two winning seasons since returning to the NFL in 1999. The Browns and their fans have suffered through 10 seasons of double-digit losses and a steady rotation of coaches, quarterbacks and executives.

The 2011 Browns won one fewer game than the season before, leaving fans and some in the media questioning the progress and whether the latest approach is just failed business as usual.

"The difference is we're going to stay the course. ... We know what we have to fix, but we're not going to blow it up and start over," Holmgren said. "That's the difference."

Stability

View full sizeAP fileThe arrival of Tex Schramm (left) and Tom Landry in 1960 was not immediately followed by much more than losses in Dallas. But the Cowboys stuck with their leadership ... something the Browns haven't done since their return in 1999.

The Browns are on their sixth head coach in 13 years. Holmgren has made it clear his hand-picked first-year coach, Pat Shurmur, isn't going anywhere. While such support may not sit well with some frustrated fans, it sends an important message.

As a player, retired Super Bowl coach Dan Reeves landed in a culture of losing as a rookie halfback with the Dallas Cowboys in 1965. Up to that point, the Cowboys had losing seasons in all five years of their existence. After the previous 5-8-1 season, owner Clint Murchison called a news conference, presumably to fire Tom Landry, who had been the team's head coach since Day One. Instead, the owner rewarded Landry with a 10-year contract.

"That makes everybody know that this is the man, he's the boss, the owner has confidence in him," Reeves said. "You know he's going to be there, and you're going to have to answer to him."

But after a 2-0 start in 1965, Dallas lost five straight. Landry, whose public persona was stoic and cold, broke down in the locker room after the game and accepted blame.

"He was saying, 'I apparently let you down because we have better players than that,'" Reeves said.

The players saw first-hand how much winning -- and playing to their potential -- meant to their coach. Dallas won five of its last seven games to finish .500, then won 10 games and the division the next year to jump-start the franchise on a two-decade run of dominance through the late 1980s.

Murchison's controversial support for Landry had paid off.

"Sometimes there's too quick an action taken," said Levy, who flipped losing teams into winners in Kansas City and Buffalo in the '70s and '80s. "We've got to make changes, we've got to make changes, we've got to make changes."

Leadership

View full sizeAP fileIt isn't a bad thing to have active leadership from owners, but it isn't necessary, says former Green Bay architect Ron Wolf. "I worked in Green Bay, and we didn't have an owner," Wolf says.

A struggling sports franchise, like any floundering business, "takes a full-court press" to change corporate culture, said business consultant Jim Bennett, formerly with McKinsey & Co. "Without that strong core of leaders and without a noble purpose, I think it's hard."

In Dallas, Reeves said, Landry set realistic goals and specific methods in each area to accomplish them. So it wasn't the coach telling his team, "We're going from 6-10 to the Super Bowl," it was, "Maybe we can get to 9-7 and sneak into the playoffs."

Even during Noll's inaugural 1-13 season, he'd tell the players he wasn't interested in adding gimmicks, trick plays and overly aggressive defenses just to win a few more games. His approach was to teach the players he expected to stay with the team how to play, starting with basic fundamentals such as lining up.

But they were head coaches. How important is an owner in setting culture?

"Huge," Reeves said. "It starts at the top with ownership."

Publicity-shy Browns owner Randy Lerner gets criticized for what fans and some in the media perceive as being uninvolved and disinterested. In a recent interview, Levy said he didn't even know who the Browns owner was.

Holmgren told the media he met with Lerner the day before the wrap-up news conference.

"He cares deeply about what happens here," Holmgren said. "He is committed to helping us in any way he can as an owner to get this done."

Those who have been part of successful NFL turnarounds say an owner's style doesn't have to fit one extreme or another to set a culture of winning.

The Steelers, even when they were bad, were run like a family business under the late Art Rooney. He attended practice, even in sleet, snow and rain. He'd visit the locker room, offering players pats on the back and expressing concern about their injuries. When his son, Dan, became team president, he was smart enough to hire Noll, who hadn't been a head coach but was a proven NFL assistant.

The good owners, Levy said, know and study the game, ask provocative questions and may participate in meetings and the draft but don't dictate.

But an owner doesn't have to be visible or vocal to be effective.

"I worked in Green Bay, and we didn't have an owner," said former Packers General Manager Ron Wolf.

The Packers, run by a team president and a board of directors as the only publicly owned NFL team, had just five winning seasons in 24 years from 1968 to 1991 when Wolf arrived. The losing, woe-is-me attitude was so thick, he said, "you couldn't cut it with a set of shears. ... They didn't know how to win."

He said they began to hack through the thicket by emphasizing Green Bay's winning tradition, reminding players Lambeau Field was the jewel of the NFL and by bringing in stars from the Vince Lombardi era who won five NFL titles in seven years.

"It changed the mind-set [to one of], 'Yes, you can be successful here,'" he said. "I played a lot on that."

Reeves said the owner must hire the right people and give them a chance to get the job done.

"I'm old school, but [owners] need to be there. They need to know what's going on, but they don't need to be out front. The main thing is you've got to be on the same page with the people you've hired."

Talent -- especially at quarterback

"That's the other thing," Russell said. "Coaches can't do it by themselves. They have to have the talent."

The Steelers, being so awful, had relatively high draft positions each year, but too often swung and missed. But Noll's drafting was brilliant, especially his selection of defensive tackle "Mean" Joe Greene, who absolutely hated losing -- an attitude that spilled over.

"Maybe some of us older guys started accepting the losses, thinking, 'Well, that's just us, we're not that good,'" Russell said. "But Joe Greene went crazy."

Noll and his personnel staff valued a player's intelligence, not just size, speed and strength. Levy and his general manager, Bill Polian, architect of the Buffalo turnaround, sought players with solid character.

"Ability without character will lose," Levy said. "When things go wrong, and they will, the guy without character is going to quit or blame others or be more concerned with himself than the team or be disruptive with a drug bust or something like that."

Kansas City had gone 17-39 in the previous four seasons when Levy took over as coach in 1978. The Chiefs went 4-12 his first year, then 7-9, 8-8 and 9-7. At Buffalo, Levy took over after back-to-back 2-14 seasons and a poor start in 1986. The Bills went 7-8 his first full year there, then 12-4 in 1988 as the franchise was built around quarterback Jim Kelly, running back Thurman Thomas and wide receiver Andre Reed -- all building-block draft choices.

In Green Bay, Wolf hired Holmgren and pushed trading a first-round draft choice for quarterback Brett Favre, a young, unproven backup in Atlanta whom the GM was sold on coming out of college.

"I got lucky," Wolf said.

As Holmgren reminded the Cleveland media Jan. 5, it took his Green Bay Packers five years to reach the Super Bowl after finding its quarterback in the first year. In Seattle, it took his team three years to find a quarterback and seven to reach football's Holy Grail.

Gil Brandt, vice president of player personnel for Dallas from 1960 to 1989, recalled how Green Bay beat Arizona on the last day of the season to improve to 4-12. That gave the 3-13 Cowboys the worst record and the chance to take quarterback Troy Aikman with the first pick in the 1989 draft. Then new head coach Jimmy Johnson helped orchestrate the trade of running back Herschel Walker for five players and six draft choices.

"We had bottomed out," he said, "so getting the quarterback was kind of the coup de grace."

Brandt said the Browns under Holmgren have done a good job evaluating talent and setting a foundation with such players as Phil Taylor, Jabaal Sheard, Joe Haden and T.J. Ward.

"You have to turn the team over and play with younger guys," he said, "and I think that's what they're doing."

Buy-in

Former coaches and team executives say a winning culture is built on being prepared, organized and making everyone -- from players, coaches and the executive team to the support staff -- feel like an important part of the team.

"That's the only way you can get things turned around," Reeves said.

The other important ingredient, Levy said, is that ego steps aside.

"Bill's first words to me were, 'It's amazing what we can accomplish if no one cares who gets the credit," Levy said of Polian. "'Let's get to work.'"

Former Browns coach Marty Schottenheimer directed turnarounds in Cleveland, Kansas City and San Diego. The Chiefs had one winning season in seven years, and back-to-back 4-11 seasons, when he took over. Schottenheimer's team went 8-7-1 the first year, and he led them to six double-digit winning seasons in eight years.

He took the Chargers from no winning seasons in six years to a record of 8-8 the first year, 4-12 the second, and then 12-4, 9-7 and 14-2.

"There can be progress without winning, absolutely," he said. "But at some point in time, there's a moment of decision where: 'Hey, this isn't going to go on forever. We've got to show some positive results or that negative reaction will result in failure.'"

Jeff Maggert and Matt Every are tied going into today's final round.

Associated PressJeff Maggert shoots off the 16th fairway during the third round of the Sony Open golf tournament, Saturday, Jan. 14, 2012, in Honolulu. (AP Photo/Marco Garcia)

HONOLULU (AP) — Matt Every felt a lot more comfortable with a golf club in his hand instead of a microphone.

Starting to feel nerves from his rare position atop the leaderboard, Every steadied himself after a sluggish start and birdied his final hole Saturday for a 2-under 68, leaving him tied with 47-year-old Jeff Maggert going into the final day of the Sony Open.

Maggert, who missed part of last season after surgery on his right shoulder, eagled the easy par-5 ninth for the second straight day and shot a 64 for his first good chance at winning in nearly six years.

They were at 12-under 198, although 16 players were within four shots of the lead.

The toughest time Every has had all week came after his second round Friday.

He was honest to a fault while discussing his PGA Tour suspension as a rookie his rookie season in 2010 after he was arrested on a misdemeanor marijuana possession charge during the John Deere Classic. He looked uncomfortable when the topic was raised in a Golf Channel interview moments later.

Every attributed a tough night of sleep to his two-shot lead, figuring he had more to lose than to gain. But when he arrived at the course, he felt as calm as the conditions.

"I actually enjoyed myself a lot today, which was kind of weird," Every said. "Because yesterday and going into today ... I was kind of dreading today. But then when I got out here, I was like, 'I'm so glad I get to play golf today.'

"If you play well ... not that interviews are bad," he said. "This is my first time really being in contention. I don't know what those guys go through every week. Now I'm starting to realize it."

Charles Howell III, who has had five finishes in the top five at the Sony Open, gave himself another opportunity with a 66. He was in the group at 10-under 200. Pebble Beach winner D.A. Points shot 64 and was another shot back, while the large group at 8-under 202 included Steve Stricker, trying to join Ernie Els in 203 as the only players to sweep the Hawaii events.

The surprise was Maggert.

Not only is he closing in on the 50-and-older Champions Tour, he finally took care of a bone spur in his right shoulder that has been bothering him the last few years. Maggert had surgery in June and had a medical exemption for part of this year, but he went to Q-school for a backup plan.

It worked. He made it through Q-school for a little more security, and then built more momentum with a solid day. He had to scramble for par on the opening hole, and the rest of the day felt easy.

Every, meanwhile, hasn't had the easiest time this week, and it was alarming to hear him say with his first chance to win on the PGA Tour, "I'm just ready to get it over with."

It could have slipped away from him Saturday.

He went long of the green at No. 2 to make bogey, and his round was close to getting away from him. His approach on the third hole flirted with the water down the left side and barely was safe. He chipped to 8 feet and made par.

"If I miss that — 2 over after three — and then the next thing you know, I could have made another bogey and then it's just kind of survival mode," he said.

But he steadied himself quickly, helped by a 30-foot birdie putt on the eighth and a two-putt birdie on the ninth that allowed him to regain control.

What he couldn't control was Maggert, who is starting to feel healthy again. Along with the shoulder, Maggert says he hasn't felt right since he broke a rib early in 2007 during a snow skiing trip — but the injury didn't happen on the slopes.

"It was afterwards, coming out of the grocery store," he said. "True story. Tripped on the ice and fell and broke my rib on the curb."

The timing couldn't have been worse. Maggert had won the St. Jude Classic in 2006 and was on the ski trip before going to Maui for the Tournament of Champions. He tried to play through the pain, and thinks it affected the technique in his swing.

"I feel like it's a lot better than it has been," he said.

The leaderboard is so bunched that Duffy Waldorf was walking up to the ninth green and saw that he was tied for 40th. He also noticed that he was only five shots out of the lead.

"It's such a good bunching of players, it was like, 'Well, if I go make some more birdies, I might get back in it.' And that's what happened on the back side," he said.

Waldorf shot 31 on the back for a 66, and goes into the final day only three shots behind.

DIVOTS: Erik Compton made a 10-foot birdie putt on the 18th hole for a 70. Turns out he needed that to make the 54-hole cut on the number. The day before, he went birdie-eagle to make the 36-hole cut. ... Webb Simpson has not finished out of the top 10 since the Tour Championship. He goes into the final round in a tie for 61st. ... The par-5 ninth played to an average score of 4.15. It has yielded 38 eagles this week.

Chris Paul scored 33 to lead the Clippers past the Lakers 102-94 in the NBA"s battle of Los Angeles.

Chris Paul scored 33 to lead the Clippers past the Lakers 102-94 in the NBA"s battle of Los Angeles. Kobe Bryant poured in a game high 42 and topped 40 points for the fourth straight game.

The Carolina Hurricanes rallied past the Boston Bruins while the Detroit Red Wings beat the Chicago Blackhawks for their fourteenth straight home win.

The Carolina Hurricanes rallied past the Boston Bruins while the Detroit Red Wings beat the Chicago Blackhawks for their fourteenth straight home win.

Meb Keflezighi wins the men's trial, while Shalane Flanagan wins the women's race.

View full sizeDavid J. Phillip, Associated PressShalane Flanagan crosses the finish line to win the women's U.S. Olympic marathon trial in Houston.

Ryan Hall and Abdi Abdirahman finished second and third, and the trio embraced before turning their sights to London.

The top American men's and women's distance runners competed in Houston for three marathon spots on each team that will represent the United States at the Summer Games.

The 36-year-old Keflezighi covered the course in a personal-best 2 hours, 9 minutes and 8 seconds. He qualified for his third Games, returning after winning silver in the 2004 marathon in Athens. Hall's time was 2:09:30 and Abdirahman finished in 2:09:42.

Shalane Flanagan won the women's Olympic trial. Desiree Davila finished second and Kara Goucher was third.

Flanagan, 30, who finished in 2:25:38, set a trials record on the women's side.

There was no close call this time for Willoughby native Katie McGregor, who placed 11th, finishing in 2:34:0.

McGregor, who lives and trains in Minnesota, narrowly missed berths in the 2004 and 2008 Olympics in the 10,000 meters, placing fourth both times. She said this week she will run the 10,000 at the U.S. Track and Field Trials in June.

Two-time defending Rite Aid Cleveland Marathon winner Nicole Camp of Willowick was the top Ohio women's finisher, placing 37th in a personal-best 2:39:10.

The top Ohio male was Craig Leon of Van Wert, who placed 26th in 2:15:2. Akron sports chiropractor Leo Kormanik finished in 2:18:51 and was 9:43 off the pace in 45th place.

Akron resident Becki Michael was 121st in 2:50:10.

Sisters Kara and Tara Storage of Beavercreek were 41st and 42nd, respectively.

Poland resident Sarah Bashinski-Flament was 133rd, and former Medina resident Mandy Yates 149th.

Plain Dealer reporter Tim Warsinskey contributed to this report.

For all of his success, Thad Matta remains susceptible to the criticism that he is more of a recruiter than a tactician. Sunday is another chance to change that perception.

View full sizeHeather Coit, Associated PressHighly regarded as a dynamic and successful recruiter, Thad Matta doesn't always win similar praise for his in-game coaching. Sunday's game against Indiana is an opportunity to refute that criticism, says Bill Livingston.

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Thad Matta isn't just a good recruiter. He's a great recruiter at Ohio State.

Ohio State has taken more hits from the one-and-done rule, with players leaving for the NBA after their freshman season, than the Bayonne Bleeder, Chuck Wepner, did against Muhammad Ali in their bout at the old Richfield Coliseum. Yet the Buckeyes are still contenders. They don't rebuild in Ohio State men's basketball, they reload.

But Matta isn't just an average game-day coach. He's had times when "average" would be a nice goal to shoot for. The Buckeyes seem to stick with whatever Matta has decided will be the defensive approach, even when the course of the game dictates adjustments. They react poorly to a player with a hot hand.

They also have not played with composure at the end of close losses on the road to Indiana and Illinois.

Indiana meets the Buckeyes Sunday afternoon in Columbus with revenge both on OSU's mind and likely to occur. The Hoosiers' big victories, over OSU and Kentucky, have come at home. Their pre-Big Ten schedule was otherwise fairly soft. Referees probably will not be so whistle-happy that Matta can only play his starters together for a few minutes, as was the case on New Year's Eve in Bloomington, Ind.

In Sunday's second meeting with Indiana, perhaps William Buford will not launch a rushed 3-pointer on the last possession when there was time either to drive or dump the ball to Jared Sullinger in the post for a better shot and possibly an "and-one." But it's hard to blame Matta for Buford's lack of game awareness. Buford is a good NBA prospect, but he is inconsistent and sometimes lacks clock and score awareness.

It's harder to excuse the defensive stagnation against Illinois.

The Illini's Brandon Paul played the way you did as a kid in the driveway when you were hitting twisting, heroic shots against phantom opponents in make-believe games. Paul scored 43 points, the third-most in Illini history. The game-clincher -- a high-arching 3-pointer in the last minute, taken while off-balance, late in the shot clock, as he was being crowded against the sideline by the Buckeyes' stopper, Aaron Craft -- had a degree of difficulty that fell between "Are you kiddin' me?" and "What's the use?"

Still, many of Paul's baskets came against more pliable resistance.

Why did Matta wait until the last two minutes to put Craft on Paul, for one thing? It's not as if great solo performances by opponents are new.

Matta's team lost its first game last season because Wisconsin's Jordan Taylor erupted for 21 of his 27 points in the second half. Also last season, Purdue's E'twaun Moore had a career night with 38 points in a solid victory over then third-ranked OSU in West Lafayette, Ind. Now the Buckeyes have lost two Big Ten games, equaling their total of last season, with the second due to a single player again having a great game.

Over and over again at Illinois, Paul came off screens for open looks, with Lenzelle Smith Jr. wallowing in his wake. The Buckeyes did not switch defensive assignments on the screens. They did not "hedge" (help and recover). They did not double-team Paul to make him give up the ball. They also did not try a zone, which was iffy because of Paul's outside shooting, but still might have posed problems for a few possessions because it presented a different scheme.

The Buckeyes simply seemed to think the hot streak would just sort of run its course.

Clearly, Craft has a heavy load to carry as the point guard and best defender. Perhaps it is worth looking at pairing freshman point Shannon Scott with Craft more often when the latter's heavy-duty defense is required against a streaky shooter. Against both Indiana and Illinois, Craft's ball-handling in the clutch seemed affected by fatigue.

The Buckeyes also obviously miss the leadership and defensive versatility of the graduated David Lighty. At times, they lose focus with double-digit leads.

Matta has been a very good hire in the big picture. He coped with the wreckage of the Jim O'Brien scandals better than anyone could have hoped. He has put the Buckeyes squarely in the national title hunt most seasons. They are fixtures in the NCAA Tournament. Despite his success, however, he still wears the "recruiter" label. Illinois did nothing to dispel it.

In basketball, it is sometimes possible for one man to beat five. But rarely if the five are as good as Ohio State, and even more rarely if they use all their deterrents.

On Twitter: @LivyPD

Offensive linemen are like starting pitchers. You think you need only five, but you better have seven capable of playing because these guys get hurt.

View full sizeScott Shaw, The Plain DealerThe return of a healthy Eric Steinbach will go a long way toward solidifying the Browns' offensive line in 2012, says Terry Pluto.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- On a white mid-January Sunday, we're talkin' ...

About the Browns' offensive line ...

1. The Browns had three offensive linemen who didn't miss a single play in 2011: Alex Mack, Joe Thomas and Jason Pinkston. Thomas and Mack have never missed a snap in their pro careers. The same can be said of Pinkston, a rookie. Guard Shaun Lauvao played 95 percent of the snaps in 2011. So other than the season-ending back injury to Eric Steinbach in training camp, the line was very healthy.

2. What about Tony Pashos? That he battles injuries is news only to those who don't pay attention. He missed 11 games in 2009, 10 in 2010. It's a bonus that he missed only four games in 2011 and played 73 percent of the snaps.

3. Suppose Steinbach comes back from back surgery and is healthy for 2012. He can take over left guard, where he played every snap from 2007-10 for the Browns. That would allow Lauvao and Pinkston to duel for right guard. But they still need a right tackle. You can make the case that Pinkston can play right tackle -- he was a left tackle at Pitt. I make the case that they need a big-time right tackle, be it from the draft or free agency.

4. Offensive linemen are like starting pitchers. You think you need only five, but you better have seven capable of playing reasonably well because these guys get hurt. There was nothing about Pinkston that made me believe he should be given the right tackle spot. He was a fifth-round draft choice who was supposed to be worked into the NFL, not start immediately. But injuries and a lack of depth forced that.

5. According to STATS Inc., the offensive line ranked 18th in protecting the quarterback. They use a complicated formula going far beyond sacks. The Browns raised their ranking in the last five games, which indicated the young line was improving.

6. The most recent time the Browns had a good offense was 2007. Derek Anderson, Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow all had career seasons. Jamal Lewis shocked the NFL by running for 1,304 yards when most evaluators believed he was washed up. The Browns were 10-6.

7. Something rarely discussed about 2007 was the emphasis GM Phil Savage placed on the offensive line. Savage selected Thomas with the No. 3 pick. He signed Kevin Shaffer and Steinbach as free agents. They also had veterans Hank Fraley, Seth McKinney and Ryan Tucker. They allowed only 19 sacks and opened big holes. Tucker couldn't stay healthy. Shaffer faded. But the point of a frontal assault to upgrade the line is a worthy approach for 2012.

8. It's hard to measure linemen with stats. I use two services for sack totals -- STATS Inc. and Profootballfocus.com. Here are the sacks-allowed totals -- STATS Inc is the first number: Pashos (9.0, 7.0), Thomas (3.5, 3.0), Mack (2.0, 4.0), Pinkston (1.0, 1.0), Lauvao (4.5, 6.0).

9. This reveals what most fans saw -- the right side with Pashos and Lauvao had problems. Lauvao also was flagged for a team-high 11 penalties. You can safely say Lauvao and Pashos allowed at least 15 sacks, or about 40 percent of the team's total.

10. I wasn't able to get "Quarterback Hits Allowed" from STATS Inc., but I did from Profootballfocus. Pinkston led the Browns with 10. No one else had more than three. So Pinkston's sack total of 1.0 is deceiving. He didn't allow sacks, but he did permit the quarterback to get beat up. He played like a fifth-round rookie tackle who was thrown into starting the season opener at guard.

11. Assigning sacks to certain players is subjective unless you know the blocking schemes. That's why the two services differ. STATS only makes available sacks allowed by linemen. So it has the Browns allowing 39 sacks, but only 20 are accounted for. Profootballfocus has the Browns with 33 sacks allowed. In addition to the linemen, they assigned 4.0 sacks allowed to running back Chris Ogbonnaya, 2.0 to fullback Owen Marecic and 1.0 to tight end Evan Moore. PFF says QB Colt McCoy ran into 3.0 sacks, while Seneca Wallace did it once. Running backs Peyton Hillis and Montario Hardesty each allowed one sack.

12. Hard to believe, but neither service had backup right tackles Oniel Cousins and Artis Hicks allowing a sack -- both seemed to be pushed around. NFL.com has the Browns allowing 83 quarterback hits, No. 8 in the league. Bottom line: The No. 4 pick should be reserved for a big-time offensive playmaker. But a right tackle should be considered for any other pick. That's especially true when you consider Browns ranked last in rushing touchdowns and 31st (3.7 yards per carry) in running the football.

About Trent Richardson ...

View full sizeDave Martin, Associated PressAs good as Alabama's Trent Richardson may be, he hasn't convinced Terry Pluto of his value high in the first round of next April's NFL draft.

I'll start with a confession: I'll probably change my mind about the No. 4 pick about 10 times before the April 26 draft.

But right now, I would not take the Alabama running back ... or any running back at No. 4. It seems there are running backs available in free agency or lower in the draft who can be plugged in and rush for 1,000 yards. The Browns did it twice in trades with Denver -- for Reuben Droughns and Hillis. And they do plan to at least talk to Hillis' agent in the near future.

After writing so much about the offensive line, part of me is tempted to pick Southern Cal's Matt Kalil -- if he's available. He is the Joe Thomas of this draft. Plug him at right tackle, with Thomas on the left side and Mack in the middle -- and that line could be superb for a long time.

But the Browns need playmakers.

I know, Robert Griffin III. This is not a knock on RGIII, but I don't see him fitting into the Browns' offense -- and I don't see them making major adjustments as Carolina did for Cam Newton and Denver did for Tim Tebow. Could be totally wrong, but I'd be shocked if they picked him.

My favorite is Justin Blackmon, the outstanding receiver from Oklahoma State.

Suppose that RGIII falls to the Browns. Suppose the Redskins desperately want to trade for him. Suppose the Browns could trade down just a few spots, and still grab Blackmon, Kalil or another big-time player -- and add a second-rounder.

I'd think about it ... real hard.

View full sizeMark J. Terrill, Associated PressAveraging 22 points over his last four games, Kyrie Irving is blossoming faster than anyone could have expected.

About the Cavs ...

1. Consider that Kyrie Irving played only 11 games at Duke because of a foot injury. He didn't play much this summer because of the lockout and doing extra rehabilitation on his foot. Friday was his 11th pro game, a 21-point performance in the loss to the Lakers. Irving has averaged 22 points in his last four games on the West Coast -- and it's 22 games since he left high school for the 19-year-old.

2. Or how about this? Since it became 2012, Irving has played eight games. He's averaging 18.4 points, and not just jacking up shots to pile up numbers. He's shooting 51 percent from the field, 48 percent on 3-pointers, 96 percent at the foul line.

3. This from David Thorpe of Scouts Inc. and ESPN.com: "The Cavs knew they were getting a player who would one day be their floor general, as it was always clear Irving knew how to run a team. But they also hoped he would be able to score. Contrary to popular belief, there is nothing wrong with a point guard who can score (as opposed to a point guard who can only score). ... He can break his man down and get into the teeth of the defense for buckets, fouls or dishes. ... [The Bulls' Derrick] Rose gets 35 percent of his shots near the rim, and Irving is at 34 percent. Of course, Irving is nowhere near the finisher Rose is because he lacks the reigning MVP's power, finesse and experience. But Rose has improved dramatically in this area over the years, and the Cavs hope -- and can expect -- Irving to do likewise."

4. The ability to create a shot when the 24-second clock ticks down is important for a point guard, especially one playing next to a stand-up shooter such as Anthony Parker. Irving is right-handed, so it's natural for defenders to play him to the right. But he often goes to his left -- and shoots layups with his left hand. In fact, scouts are saying he goes to his left too much -- so he may have to change that.

5. Irving shot 90 percent from the foul line at Duke, and he's at 88 percent this season in the NBA. That also is important for a player who drives so much -- he will be fouled. Irving can make the defense pay for that.

6. The first time I talked to Byron Scott about Irving was after the guard had worked out for the Cavs. Scott started by saying that he didn't want to compare Irving to Chris Paul, the All-Star point guard who entered the league with New Orleans when Scott was the coach there. Then he began to talk about how Irving reminded him of Paul in several ways because of both his passing and scoring skills.

7. Let's just say Irving is exactly what this franchise needs. Fans love little guys -- OK, he's 6-2, 195 pounds -- but he looks small compared to most guys on the court. He also has a wonderful spirit and upbeat personality.

8. Guess who is third in the NBA in rebounding? It's Anderson Varejao at 11.3 in 31 minutes a game. No wonder most of the league wants to trade for him -- and why the Cavs are wisely not very interested. I'll never say never, but it would take a blockbuster deal to pry Varejao away during the season.

9. The Cavs want to give Semih Erden a real chance to prove he can be a backup center. He's a 7-footer and a huge man. He also looks very slow and rusty. If he can't do it, then Samardo Samuels will receive most of the minutes behind Varejao. But right now, they are testing Erden. In the last three games, Erden has played a total of 48 minutes, scoring five points with seven rebounds. He has 14 fouls.

10. Samuels has played 86 minutes, and has 19 fouls compared to 15 rebounds. I like how he has 36 points in those 86 minutes, and he is 16-of-23 at the foul line. He creates contact and makes an impact on the court. Samuels also can become an important player if Antawn Jamison is traded -- a possibility given how the veteran has been scoring and that he's in the last year of his contract. If Jamison leaves this season or next, that means power forward falls to rookie Tristan Thompson and Samuels.

11. Samuels is sitting now but it's not a sign the Cavs have written him off. They are hoping Erden can prove to be a decent backup center, so they have young front-court depth behind Varejao and Jamison.

About the Tribe ...

View full sizeAP photoManny Ramirez back in an Indians uniform? Just say no.

1. The Indians' fan base is desperate for any news about their team, though some fans get mad whenever another veteran minor-leaguer is signed. Adding those guys never bothers me. It's how they found Jack Hannahan last year, Shelley Duncan in 2010 and Casey Blake several seasons ago. Most of the time, little trades and small signings mean nothing.

2. Fans got a taste of contention in 2011 and loved it. That's why they want their team to do something, and the Indians obviously need a bat. But not one belonging to Manny Ramirez. It's easy to lose sight of what has happened to him. He has been bouncing from team to team. He was 1-for-17 with Tampa Bay to start last season before he "retired" after flunking a drug test. He played in 90 games in 2010 -- 66 with the Dodgers and 24 with the White Sox in Chicago, where he ended the season. In 196 at-bats with the Dodgers, Ramirez hit .311 with eight home runs and 40 RBI. He had 69 at-bats with the White Sox and hit .269 with one home run.

3. The New York Times reported Ramirez first flunked a drug test in 2003. He flunked again in 2009 and in 2011. If he comes back, he is suspended for the first 50 games of this season. "Manny being Manny" apparently means not learning from flunking drug tests. He will turn 40 in May and his skills have been declining.

4. The Indians have to find a guy who can help them from Day 1. Fans saw what a fast start meant a year ago. I have a feeling Carlos Pena will be too expensive, and they may settle on Casey Kotchman. I have been writing about these two guys for weeks -- and like most fans, I'm not especially excited by either one. I do see how the Indians can add a lefty bat at first base because he can sit against left-handed pitchers. Carlos Santana can move to first in those games, with Lou Marson catching.

5. The Indians are considering what to make of Duncan suddenly hitting right-handed pitching better than lefties. Last season, he had a .918 OPS against righties, .679 against lefties. For most of his career, he struggled against righties. But last year, he hit 10 homers in 121 at-bats against righties, 1 in 102 at-bats against lefties. He hit two homers off Justin Verlander, one of the game's best right-handers.

6. As the Indians consider different options at first, they ask, "Is this guy better than Matt LaPorta?" While they report that hitting coaching Bruce Fields spent four days with LaPorta and came back encouraged, they aren't counting on him. They also want a good glove at first, and consider Kotchman perhaps the best in the majors at digging throws out of the dirt. Kotchman has 11 errors in his career -- the Indians had 12 at first base last season.

7. The problem is Kotchman has little power. His best season was last year -- .306 (.800 OPS) but he had only 10 homers and 48 RBI in 563 plate appearances. He batted .217 in 2010, but had off-season eye surgery which he says helped him in 2011. He's only 28 -- he turns 29 in February -- and has been in the majors since 2004. He's a guy who will hit about .270 with 10 homers. His glove will mean a lot to an infield that will be tested with a lot of groundball pitchers, but can he help the offense?

8. Fox 8's John Telich will talk to Joe Tait and myself about Joe's new book, "It's Been A Real Ball." This Corporate Club Luncheon will take place at Landerhaven in Mayfield Heights on Thursday. For reservations call Landerhaven at 440-449-0700.

9. Manny Acta, Jason Kipnis and Josh Tomlin will be at the Wahoo Club Hot Stove Brunch on Jan. 28 at 9:30 a.m. at the Solon Community Center. For more information, call Bob Rosen (440-724-8350) or go to wahooclub.com