Ohio State's major sports have become used to winning, and in losing they can help each other learn some valuable lessons.
Morry Gash / Associated Press"Basketball, football, baseball, soccer, hockey, whatever it is, no one likes Ohio State," observed David Lighty after Saturday's loss to Wisconsin. Whether or not Lighty's analysis is accurate, the OSU men are not the only Buckeyes athletics team that finds motivation from defeat. COLUMBUS, Ohio -- There's something to be said for being the stormee, the team that's good enough to cause opposing fans to rush the court when you lose.
Ohio State senior David Lighty, in the moments after Saturday's 71-67 loss in Madison when the Wisconsin students stormed the court after the Badgers beat the No. 1 Buckeyes, understood once again what it means when you're on top.
"Everyone wants to knock us off. No one likes us around the country, in everything," Lighty said. "Basketball, football, baseball, soccer, hockey, whatever it is, no one likes Ohio State."
The football players should be taking note.
Both Ohio State basketball teams, the men's team by creating a target as the last team to lose this season, and the women's team by struggling with veteran talent when they were expected to win, are providing some lessons this season that could be put to use on the football field in the fall.
In off-season training for pursuit of a record-breaking seventh consecutive Big Ten title, many football Buckeyes watched Saturday's basketball loss and in the immediate aftermath wrote on Twitter about looking forward to the Badgers' visit to Ohio Stadium on Oct. 29. On that day, they will be looking to avenge their own loss to Wisconsin while ranked No. 1 as well, which created its own flood of fans.
Throw in Ohio State freshman star Jared Sullinger getting spit on by a Wisconsin fan as he left the court Saturday, and Wisconsin coach Bo Ryan's seemingly dismissive approach to the allegation on Monday. Ryan said "all is know is, we won the game. Deal with it," and the Buckeyes and Badgers could be growing into quite the little multi-sport rivalry. If the Buckeyes can narrow their intensity that much.
"I think that any time you're in our position, going into that game undefeated and we're still today sitting on top of the conference, for the next six games we're going to be everybody's rival, there's no doubt about that," men's basketball coach Thad Matta said.
Terry Gilliam / Associated Press"There's a lot of people that want to pounce on you when they sense a weakness or they sense you're down," says women's coach Jim Foster. "It just encourages them even more so." That sounds a lot like what football coach Jim Tressel has said in the past, and what women's basketball coach Jim Foster is experiencing this season, the notion that all teams aim for the team on top, which is recent times has usually been Ohio State.
Returning five starters from a 31-5 team, the women's team has climbed back to 6-6 in the Big Ten only after a two-game winning streak, and Foster was asked what advice he'd give the football team, which like the women's team holds the Big Ten record with six straight conference titles.
"Don't take anything for granted and understand that the work ethic is still the work ethic, and attention to detail is still attention to detail and there's a lot of people that want to pounce on you when they sense a weakness or they sense you're down," Foster said. "It just encourages them even more so. And you've got to get that much stronger and that much tougher and that much more together."
Tressel has been watching, taking in a few of the men's games and is well aware of what the women's team has accomplished in its run. He agrees with Foster that taking winning for granted is human nature, and Tressel doesn't believe it a coincidence that many players on the Buckeyes' 2002 national championship team had been through rough times with a coaching change and less successful previous seasons. His players now are used to winning.
Taking shots at No. 1
The Ohio State men's basketball team is 24-1 and coming off its first loss of the season. The women's basketball team is 15-9 and trying to straighten out its season with a two-game winning streak. Both could serve as lessons for the Buckeyes' football team, given how all three teams know what it's like to live life as the conference favorite. Here's what the three programs have done over the previous six seasons, with their overall records and Big Ten records and finish each season.
Team |
Record |
Conf. |
Finish |
OSU football 2005 |
10-2 |
7-1 |
(T-1) |
OSU football 2006 |
12-1 |
8-0 |
(1) |
OSU football 2007 |
11-2 |
7-1 |
(1) |
OSU football 2008 |
10-3 |
7-1 |
(T-1) |
OSU football 2009 |
11-2 |
7-1 |
(1) |
OSU football 2010 |
12-1 |
7-1 |
(T-1) |
W basket 2005 |
30-5 |
14-2 |
(T-1) |
W basket 2006 |
29-3 |
15-1 |
(1) |
W basket 2007 |
28-4 |
15-1 |
(1) |
W basket 2008 |
22-9 |
13-5 |
(T-1) |
W basket 2009 |
29-6 |
15-3 |
(1) |
W basket 2010 |
31-5 |
15-3 |
(1) |
M basket 2005 |
20-12 |
8-8 |
(6) |
M basket 2006 |
26-6 |
12-4 |
(1) |
M basket 2007 |
35-4 |
15-1 |
(1) |
M basket 2008 |
24-13 |
10-8 |
(5) |
M basket 2009 |
22-11 |
10-8 |
(T-4) |
M basket 2010 |
29-8 |
14-4 |
(T-1) |
"In 2002, we may not have been as good as some of our later teams in '05, '06, '07 and so forth, but they had suffered, and I think that's human nature. When we have tough times, we rise up," Tressel said.
Though Matta said all during the Buckeyes' undefeated run this season that he didn't believe there was any benefit to losing, Foster said that in experiencing actual losing streaks this season for the first time in their careers, his players started listening to him more.
"If you can do something against 90 percent of the people, the job is to get good enough to do it against 100 percent," Foster said. "So you have to work on that 10 percent that's out there waiting for you. I think some of our players have experience that this year."
Maybe the men's team experienced that to a smaller degree in getting back to practice after Saturday's loss. Junior William Buford thought there was a little more focus, and senior Jon Diebler said Matta told the players they weren't tough enough to win at Madison. But absorbing just one loss is nothing compared to a string of them.
"Whether it be the basketball team or the football team, we've been the top dogs and you get this confidence," women's basketball star Jantel Lavender said. "And this is kind of a reality check almost."
In the end, for any of these successful OSU teams, even though the wins may be taken for granted, they can't be expected to last forever.
"Enjoy what you're doing well, but understand that it's competitive and it's hard," Tressel said. "It's like when we lost to Wisconsin, there was a certain school of thought that the world ended. But I think we'd beaten them three years in a row and they had some fifth-year seniors and those guys had suffered and lost to Ohio State. So that's reality, and if you look at a 30-year picture, no one's going to win the conference 30 times.
"We always say, the only thing we know for sure about the Bug Ten is everybody else in the Big Ten wants to win it."
And beating Ohio State in pursuit of that goal can be cause for celebration.