Pete Werner, Tuf Borland and co-defensive coordinator Alex Grinch on where the Buckeyes LBs are after four games and heading into Penn State.
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COLUMBUS, Ohio -- The raw number - zero - doesn't tell you everything but it's enough to make you wonder if you should be worried, and it even knocked Urban Meyer a bit off stride this week.
"Zero tackles?" Meyer asked in reply Monday when informed that Ohio State starting linebackers Pete Werner, Malik Harrison and Tuf Borland weren't credited with any stops in Saturday's 49-6 win over Tulane. "I did not know that. ... I know they didn't play that much probably, but that's interesting. Because I know Malik's playing at a very high level."
Against No. 9 Penn State on Saturday, the Buckeyes will need all their linebackers at a high level. That's why this conversation ramped up this week.
Against what was basically a triple-option Tulane attack, the linebackers played less than a half. While Tulane snapped the ball on offense 58 times, the snap totals from Dan Hope of elevenwarriors.com had Harrison with 29 plays, Werner with 26 and Borland with 15. And Baron Browning, who is basically a co-starter at middle linebacker with Borland, tracked down the Tulane quarterback for a loss on one third-down play and finished with three tackles in 21 plays.
So that's part of it.
So was what the linebackers were asked to do.
"We were playing against a Wing-T type of team," said outside linebacker Werner, who was surprised by the no tackles stat. "Again, it's assignment football. We have guys being at the right place, linebackers were setting edges and filling gaps and you're not going to run the ball where a gap is closed."
While Borland missed a couple tackles, Werner and Harrison mostly lacked opportunity, and they did get in the pile a few times, but weren't credited for anything.
So that might be a reasonable explanation. But the question itself didn't just jump off the stat sheet from one game. It's also based on what we have and haven't seen through four games.
Harrison's leaping fourth-quarter interception sealed the TCU win. But beyond that, the starting linebackers haven't made that many plays. Werner has one tackle for loss and Harrison and Borland each have half a tackle for loss.
The starters have watched for much of the second half in two games, but looking at the straight tackle numbers is still a bit surprising. A linebacker has led Ohio State in tackles 15 of the last 16 years, including players like Raekwon McMillan, Joshua Perry, Ryan Shazier, James Laurinaitis, A.J. Hawk and, last year, Jerome Baker. (The exception was safety C.J. Barnett in 2011.)
Right now, Ohio State's top five tacklers are a safety (Jahsen Wint), a defensive tackle (Dre'Mont Jones), a safety (Jordan Fuller), a defensive end (Nick Bosa) and a cornerback (Damon Arnette). Harrison ranks sixth in tackles with 12, tied with safety Isaiah Pryor.
Adding up the unofficial snap counts from elevenwarriors.com, and using official tackling numbers, Harrison has 12 tackles in 204 plays, Werner has 9 in 183 plays, Browning has 8 in 108 plays and Borland has 8 in 84 plays.
Straight numbers aren't always fair comparisons, but a year ago through four games, the leading linebacker tacklers were Baker with 21, Chris Worley with 20 and Borland with 15.
Simply put, everyone is accustomed to Ohio State linebackers making plays. So far, they haven't made as many. In part that's because they sat in blowouts against Rutgers and Tulane (Oregon State was a blowout, too, but Werner and Harrison still played a ton.) In part, that's because of the offenses they've faced. But at least some part of it is just not getting to ballcarriers the way past OSU linebackers did.
Not that they should, or would, agree with that assessment.
"Pretty good. There's always room for improvement," Werner said when asked how the linebackers have played. "But as far as doing our jobs and being in the right places at the right time, I think we're off to a good start."
"Obviously, there's always room for improvement," Borland said. "Every week we watch the tape, there's things that need to be fixed, things that need to be addressed, and we're working hard to do that."
"Like every position, there's plays that we want to have back," co-defensive coordinator Alex Grinch said. "I certainly think that you've seen the ability to run and hit in space. A guy like Malik Harrison, a couple clips in that TCU game, just (showed) elite speed and size, which certainly helps us."
Grinch went back to an explanation he used after the Buckeyes gave up 31 to Oregon State in an easy win in the opener - the standard at Ohio State is incredibly high and the Buckeyes aren't reaching it yet.
"It's probably closer to good than it is the other side of it," Grinch said. "It's a position that features several young guys ... and we have one senior on defense, and so there's some first-time starters who have performed certainly on the side of better to good than the other, but the plays that stand out to you as a coach are the ones that didn't get done."
Grinch made a solid point in that a young defensive lineman could miss a tackle and no one would notice as much as when a young linebacker or safety misses a tackle in space that everyone sees.
And he said something else we've tried to keep in mind here.
Grinch said in getting the defense better, they go scheme, execution and then personnel in order of what should get fixed first, while outsiders typically look right at changing the players.
Asked if any other players might get more chances at outside linebacker where Werner and Harrison have played almost every play snap that matters, Grinch said it's clear from practice that Werner and Harrison are the best two options. In the middle, Borland and Browning will continue to rotate.
So, for now, keep these things in mind heading to Penn State, gleaned from a variety of conversations about the linebackers.
* Werner and Harrison are young and not going anywhere. The coaches attribute almost every possible issue there to youth and anticipate growth all season.
* There have been some fundamental mistakes, and some of them have led to big plays.
* Borland, back from a major achilles injury, is healthy but still rusty. He missed spring football and most of the preseason. He'll get better.
"I wouldn't say it's my best," Borland said of his play so far. "But it does take some time to kind of get your feet under you, and I'm feeling more and more comfortable."
* Penn State will attack the middle of the field in the passing game and with the running skills of quarterback Trace McSorley and running back Miles Sanders. This could be a big linebacker game.
"I think we'll be perfectly fine," Werner said. "We'll be at the right places."
* Don't question personnel first. Question coaching. The Ohio State linebackers coach is Bill Davis.