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CLEVELAND, Ohio -- So you actually had to work today, and tried to keep up with the start of the NFL Combine through social media? Was that a bit of a challenge, bunkie?
Well, welcome to the 2013 NFL Combine megablog, your one-stop shop for updates from the great talent search taking place in Indianapolis.
Today through Sunday, Browns reporters Mary Kay Cabot, Tom Reed, Branson Wright along with Cleveland.com's Glenn Moore are providing updates from Lucas Oil Stadium as 300 invited collegians work their way through medical assessments, media and team interviews (beginning today, running through Sunday) and the workouts (from Saturday through Tuesday).
Starting at 10 a.m. (at the bottom of the post) we had news and analysis from Indianapolis all day. Feel free to browse through the comments and the links to longer stories. We'll be back Friday at 10 a.m. to do it all over again.
As always, you're welcome to keep the conversation going in the comments section at the bottom of this post.
5:44 p.m.: How did the first day of the combine turn out? Beat writers Mary Kay Cabot and Tom Reed assess the news made in Indianapolis.
5:38 p.m.: As the first day of the combine winds down, news is made in a press conference with Adolpho Birch, the NFL's senior vice president of law and labor policy, who lamented the inability of the league to reach an agreement with the NFLPA over HGH testing.
"Where we are is largely where we've been since August of 2011," Birch said. "We've tried to work with the union as much as possible to address its concerns."
Union president Domonique Foxworth said Tuesday that players don't trust NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell after the New Orleans Saints bounty scandal.
"It is a disservice to all for us not to focus on the issue at hand, particularly in the context of HGH testing," Birch said. "It has been a stall. I don't know if it is a tactic. There is absolutely no reason for this to have taken this long and for us to not have testing implemented. We should have been more than a year into this by now."
5:27 p.m.: From @treedPD: "#Buckeyes TE Jake Stoneburner says he will meet w/ #Browns tonight."
4:59 p.m.: From now until draft day, there will always be the contrarians who believe their assessment of the talent pool -- no matter how askew from the mainstream -- will win out in the end.
We present National Football Post (and former NFL scout) Russ Lande and his No. 1 player on his big board -- Syracuse QB Ryan Nassib.
4:45 p.m.: Moving on from Phil Dawson? From @treedPD: "Kickers Caleb Sturgis (Florida) and Brett Maher (Nebraska) said they met informally with #Browns ST coach Chris Tabor"
4:39 p.m.: From @treedPD: "UCLA TE Joseph Fauria says he's scheduled to interview w/ #Browns. Dude is 6-7, 257 lbs. Also played basketball and volleyball. Fauria's uncle is Christian, who won two Super Bowls with Patriots."
Another tight end arrives in the interview room and from @treedPD: "Rice TE Vance McDonald said he spoke to the #Browns at the Senior Bowl."
4:32 p.m.: It's now a trend. Seattle GM John Schneider follows San Francisco's Trent Baalke -- after all, they're in the same division -- and announces that, well ... sure ... maybe the Seahawks would be willing to deal backup QB Matt Flynn, who is on the books for $7.5 million this season.
"As you guys well know, we’re always going to listen to everything and if we’re not doing that, we think we’re not doing our job," Schneider said. "That doesn’t necessarily mean we will do something with Matt.”
But they certainly would like to.
4:18 p.m.: It's a bit amazing that it took this long for Andy Reid to make it official, but the Kansas City Chiefs have looked at this draft class and decided they would be willing to trade out of the No. 1 position.
"New coach Andy Reid told reporters Thursday that the Chiefs are open to shopping their first pick for the right price," reports NFL.com.
"'Listen, yeah, we're going to evaluate everything,' Reid said at the NFL Scouting Combine. 'We're just not going to give it away. So, we'd have to see what people throw our way. It's a pretty valuable pick, I'd say.'"
Well, if you're crazy about OT Luke Joeckel or Star Lotuleilei, sure, it's valuable. But if you really would prefer a QB in a middle class of signalcallers, not so much.
4:11 p.m.: From CBSSports.com's Bruce Feldman (@BFeldmanCBS) on Oregon offensive lineman Kyle Long -- son of Howie Long and brother of Chris Long: "Kyle Long talking abt battling chemical addiction. Said turning pt was Jan 2009 DUI arrest. 'I had to take self-inventory.'"
3:53 p.m.: Scratch one prospective "challenger" for Brandon Weeden. Tom Reed reports that both Eagles coach Chip Kelly and GM Howie Roseman said QB Nick Foles won't go anywhere this off-season.
"Kelly said he wants an opportunity to coach the 2012 draft pick even as the Eagles have re-signed Michael Vick. Foles played in seven games last season and threw for 1,699 yards with six touchdowns and five interceptions.
"(Kelly) told you the same thing he told us," Roseman said. "He wants to coach him, not just see him. ... We are trying to accumulate good players. We're not in the business of trying to get rid of young players."
3:28 p.m.: From @MaryKayCabot: "#panthers coach Ron Rivera on #browns Chud and turner, whom he worked with: 'I'd be surprised if they don't score a lot of pts up there.'"
3:22 p.m.: Minnesota GM Rick Spielman is one of many NFL execs who is as interested in how Notre Dame's Manti Te'o reacts to his off-field duties Saturday in Indianapolis as what happens during the linebacker workouts on Monday.
"“We’re going to find out if he can handle the media or not. I’m sure he’s going to be up at this podium one day and people will have some questions for him," Spielman said Thursday. "But he’s getting a lot of experience in handling the media scrutiny per se. We’ll have him in our room. We’re going to spend a lot of time with him because he’s a very talented prospect.
"People have asked why he didn’t play so good in the Alabama game. I don’t know the answer to that, but I’m sure there will be a lot of questions thrown his way. But from the view of the overall big picture, he is a very talented football player."
A couple of minutes later, from @Gil_Brandt: "NFL VP of FB Comm Michael Signora says agent Tom Condon will speak to media on Saturday, same day as his client, Manti Te'o. #NFLCombine"
Presumably, Condon helping Te'o will go a bit better than Drew Rosenhaus "helping" Terrell Owens ...
3:12 p.m.: From the Akron Beacon-Journal's Nate Ulrich (@NateUlrichABJ): "Tennessee QB Tyler Bray said he met #Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, a major Tenn booster, once but doesn't really know him well."
Guaranteed that quote sparks some talk radio fodder.
3:10 p.m.: Ah, those clever Browns fans ... From @BrownsGirl19: "I think Pat Shurmur catfished Chip Kelly. He sent a picture of an innovative offense. #Browns #Eagles #NFL"
3 p.m.: Meet your late-round Cleveland Brown
Throughout the combine, we'll profile players who could be fits for the Browns in the final day of the draft -- much as Billy Winn and James-Michael Johnson found roles on the 2012 roster. Got someone you'd recommend? Tweet the name to @jturnerpd
Linebacker Kevin Reddick, North Carolina
2012 stats: 85 tackles, 49 solo, 18.5 TFL, 6.5 sacks, 6 passes def., 2 forced fumbles
Career: 275 tackles, 163 solo, 36.0 TFL, 8.5 sacks, 2 int., 18 pass def., 2 FF
From NFL.com: "As a senior ... North Carolina used him more extensively as a blitzer and put him on the edge more often (both as a stand-up linebacker and as a defensive end), very similarly to how Brandon Spikes’ role grew as a senior at Florida.
"Possesses the size and athleticism NFL scouts covet. ... He could start in the middle in the NFL as a thumper for a 3-4 team, or, if he proves he has the athleticism, could possibly be a candidate at strongside linebacker for some teams."
From CBSSports.com: "The biggest reason Reddick has been a faller this season is his questionable effort on the field, too often giving up on plays once engaged and going at half-speed if the play isn't run directly at him. He rarely leaves the field so some of it might be fatigue, but inconsistent urgency and motor is a large concern that will force NFL teams to think twice on draft day."
Projection: OK, so we're cheating a little bit here. Reddick is a possibility late in the third round, but as he could easily slide into the third day of the draft, he qualifies here.
2:51 p.m.: Chip Kelly, the Eagles' new head coach, is making the rounds. From @MaryKayCabot: "#eagles coach chip kelly said the report that he was close to signing with browns was "erroneous"
From @treedPD: "Kelly said he and Shurmur share philosophies on passing."
Insert your own jokes here.
2:24 p.m.: Branson Wright gets some video time with Ohio State lineman Reid Fragel.
2:02 p.m.: Mary Kay Cabot reports on Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland's comments about backup QB Matt Moore, an unrestricted free agent.
"I know that (Browns offensive coordinator) Norv (Turner) liked Matt coming out of Oregon State (in 2007),'' Ireland told The Plain Dealer. Moore is believed to be interested in testing the market, but Ireland hopes it doesn't get to that point.
"There's a lot of reasons why you want Matt back on your football team,'' Ireland said. "Matt's been an outstanding teammate, a good mentor for Ryan (Tannehill). There's a lot of things of why you would want him back on the football team. So again, like every other free agent we've talked about, there's a process in place, they're all great character guys. We have some tough decisions to make, but I wish I could have them all back.''
1:47 p.m.: How The Game Has Changed Dept. (and stop talking about PEDs), from former Dallas Cowboys GM Gil Brandt (@Gil_Brandt): "Some interesting notes coming from the combine today: Lightest OL was 299 lbs. That was Colorado OT David Bakhtiari."
1:45 p.m.: From NFL.com's Around The League blog (@NFL_ATL): "GM Colbert on the state of the Steelers: 'We're not a team in transition.'"
He was unknown entering the 2012 combine, and left pretty much the same way. But he earned his stardom on the field last fall.
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1:36 p.m.: Beware the mighty workout wonders: By the end of the combine, a few million words will be offered as to which players have done the most good for themselves in Indy. They're the hot pockets of Mock Draft Universe -- seemingly tasty and filling, but ultimately lacking in substance and meaning.
Consider the 10 players from the 2012 combine who were selected by NFL.com as the most impressive -- guys who had boosted their stock. For a little perspective, we've divided them into three categories:
And they pay you for this? Named to the top 10 in 2012 were QBs Andrew Luck (third most impressive), Robert Griffin III (second), offensive tackle Matt Kalil (seventh) and nose tackle Dontari Poe (first). That these four were already first-round sure things before they opened the Lucus Oil Stadium gates makes their appearance on this list about as surprising as hearing that Peyton Manning is a strong candidate for first-round induction to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
They were quick risers, but so what? There was no player who received more breathless praise than Georgia Tech WR Stephen Hill (fourth). Faster than Mercury, dazzler in all things done without pads, Hill immediately became the big "sleeper" pick in the first round of every mock draft -- and the sparkly jewel that many Browns fans desperately wanted.
Except that ... the NFL wasn't as overwhelmed as the media/blogosphere. Hill was eventually the 11th pick in the second round -- no shame there -- to the New York Giants, where he contributed all of 21 receptions for three touchdowns in 11 games before injury ended his season. He may become a standout WR, but isn't one yet.
Other "unknowns" who made the top 10 included linebacker Mychal Kendricks (10th most impressive, a second-round choice of the Eagles who had 75 tackles as a rookie), linebacker Bruce Irvin (No. 9 on list, 17 tackles, eight sacks for Seattle, who took him 15th in the first round) and defensive back Josh Robinson (No. 6, plucked third in the third round by Minnesota, producing 53 tackles, two interceptions). Irvin flashes some big-play potential, but 17 tackles? The other two are contributors, but certainly not stars.
Much ado about ...: RB David Wilson (fifth) supposedly made a big impact at the combine, but he went in as a borderline first-round pick and was ... the last pick of the first round by the Giants. He gained 358 yards at nearly five yards a touch as a rookie, but remains a potential starter -- just as he was projected as a senior at Virginia Tech.
Florida RB Chris Rainey (eighth) wowed the scouts, we were told -- and all it got him was a late selection in the fifth round by the Steelers, where he gained 102 yards in 26 carries and was part of the inept Pittsburgh ground game when the Browns beat Charlie Batch last season.
The upshot of all this? For all the hand-wringing by critics that teams need to spend more time with game film and less on how a guy looks in the vertical jump, teams really do just that. Kalil, Griffin, Luck and Poe were first-round picks if they had gone into the witness protection plan after the end of their final college seasons. There are occasional diamonds in the rough spotted, but many combine stars end up 1) being drafted someplace other than in the primetime spotlight and/or 2) guys who have to fight hard just to keep a spot on the roster.
And then there's Alfred Morris (Redskins sixth-round pick, rushed for 1,613 yards), whose NFL.com grade (after participating in the 2012 combine) was 47.5. Which translates to this evaluation on the league's website: "A player with solid measurables, intangibles, college achievements, or a developing skill that warrants an opportunity in an NFL camp. In the right situation, he could earn a place on a 53-man roster, but most likely will be a practice squad player or a camp body."
Of Morris specifically, his pre-draft analysis stated "Morris is a thick running back and a bit of a tweener, not big enough to be imposing at the next level."
Enjoy the combine and the mocks, but take them seriously at your own peril.
1:07 p.m.: From the Columbus Dispatch's Bill Rabinowitz (@brdispatch): "(Ohio State OL) Reid Fragel just spoke with media at #NFLcombine. Weighed in at 308.6 lbs, height is 6-7 1/2. Frame, athleticism are main strengths."
From @treedPD: "#Buckeyes OL Reid Fragel said the #Browns are one of the teams he interviewed with Wednesday night."
12:52 p.m.: ESPN sports business analyst Andrew Brandt (@adbrandt) knows the lingo of the NFL front office executive: "(Vikings GM) Rick Spielman: 'We have no intent on trading Percy Harvin' Translation: 'When we receive the right offer, we'll have intent.'
12:29 p.m.: Another big name shies away from the combine's workouts. From ESPN's Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter): "Georgia LB Jarvis Jones, the top player on Mel Kiper's draft board, will not work out at combine and focus on Pro Day in Athens, Ga., March 21"
12:06 p.m.: From @MaryKayCabot: "#cardinals hc bruce Arians on the qb prospects: " I think there's a lot in this class that will be playing in this league for a long time"
12:04 p.m.: From @MoveTheSticks: "Travis Kelce (Cincinnati TE from Cleveland Heights) 6'4 7/8 255 lbs. 33 3/4 inch arms"
11:58 p.m.: Stanford TE Zach Ertz had 112 receptions and 15 TDs in three seasons with the Cardinal. He's considered a borderline first-round selection. But his medical exam today revealed -- horrors! -- that he has a reach of 31.75 inches, about 1.25 inches shorter than Notre Dame's Tyler Eifert, or about a third of the length of this line of type.
According to CBSSports.com, that's a big deal.
"Arm length can be significant at the tight end position. Longer-armed defenders might be able to get into Ertz's chest and drive him back or toss him on when he's asked to block. Theoretically, defenders playing tight against him might be able to reach from behind to knock away passes, though this wasn't a problem during Ertz's First Team All Pac-12 junior campaign, when he led Stanford with 69 catches in 2012 for 898 yards and six touchdowns."
11:50 a.m.: Interviews with various NFL officials coming fast and furious this morning. From @treedPD: "Bruce Arians (Twitter pic here) on #Browns DC Ray Horton: "(Cleveland) is getting a head coach in waiting. He's a bright star."
11:49 a.m.: CineSport's Noah Coslov sits down with former NFL Scout and National Football Post's Russ Lande to hear about his experiences covering the NFL Scouting Combine and how it's evolved over the years.
11:48 a.m.: From @MaryKayCabot: "#dolphins gm jeff Ireland says he'd love to keep backup qb matt Moore, who might be on #browns radar if free. Good mentor for tannehill."
11:31 a.m.: From Rotoword.com's Josh Norris (@JoshNorris): "Lots of Sean Renfree (Duke QB) love going around. Mort on Sportscenter, Peter King, Kiper. Don't expect him to workout due to torn pec."
Then again, the best Renfree comparison among recent NFL QBs -- according to NFL.com's rankings -- is Derek Anderson. Is that really a good thing?
11:06 a.m.: Mary Kay Cabot has this quote from 49ers GM Trent Baalke about trading QB Alex Smith, frequently linked to Browns offensive coordinator Norv Turner.
"'I think that's part of it,' Baalke said. 'We're going to look at all options available. Are we going to trade him for sure? No, that hasn't been decided.'''
What Baalke really means? That releasing Smith would result in a $9.7 million salary cap hit this year, so drumming up interest in a trade is part of Baalke's job description right about now.
11 a.m.: This is the first in a series of snapshots of NFL prospects with Ohio ties. We'll have a different Buckeye State talent featured every morning during the combine.
Ohio draft prospects: Miami (OH) QB Zac Dysert
2012 season: 302-for-480, 3,483 yards, 62.9 percent, 7.26 yards per attempt, 25 TD, 12 int.
Career: 1,066-for-1,672, 12,013 yards, 63.8 percent, 7.2 ypa, 73 TDs, 51 int.
From NFL.com: "Over his four years starting, Dysert ended up breaking (Ben) Roethlisberger’s school career passing attempts, completions, and yardage records. So it’s natural for teams to watch him closely in the hopes his skill set will translate similarly to Roethlisberger’s (even if he doesn’t quite possess Roethlisberger’s arm strength or bulk) at the next level."
Dysert isn't at the combine after injuring a hamstring last week while prepping for Indianapolis. He needs to overcome a lackluster showing at the Senior Bowl at his pro day next month.
From former Browns GM Phil Savage, who reviewed the QBs at the Senior Bowl: "He never looked at ease with his reads or feet, and the ball sailed too much on him when he tried to drive it outside. Zac took a step forward in Thursday's two-minute drill and that carried over into the game when he guided the North to a late TD. He is an interesting prospect that probably fits as more of a developmental QB than potential starter at this time."
From Rotoworld.com, which marvels at Dysert's physical gifts, including the ability to throw across his body: "Overall, he’s a developmental quarterback. These types of quarterbacks usually have a late round label attached to their name, suggesting they're lacking in talent. However, Dysert isn’t – he simply needs to go to a team with continuity in its coaching staff and that could teach him the fundamentals of the position."
Projection: Between third and fifth rounds.
10:57 a.m.: From @treedPD: "(Former Colts GM) Bill Polian on Brandon Weeden: 'He was not in the category of the other four (rookie QBs). But those four represented a once in a generation class. ... I wouldn't say he was a bust by any means. He looked like a rookie QB who struggled at times & at times did good things."
The four QBs that Polian refers to, of course, are Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Ryan Tannehill and Russell Wilson. To which Bill Livingston (@LivyPD) responds: "Then why did Wilson go 3rd round if Polian and everybody thought so highly of him?"
10:33 a.m.: Back to our previously scheduled combine updates. From @treedPD: "Niners GM says he has met with Alex Smith and his wife. Calls him a "pro's pro." Said no decision has been made whether to trade him."
10:32 a.m.: The PD's morning update from the combine.
10:30 a.m.: Unrelated to the combine -- but hey, it's Tim Tebow news! -- the Jets reserve QB has gone to Twitter to announce he has pulled out of a scheduled April appearance with controversial Dallas minister Robert Jeffress, a couple of days after CBSSports.com's Gregg Doyel wrote a column on Jeffress's public statements about gays, Catholics, Mormons, Jews and several other topics.
"While I was looking forward to sharing a message of hope and Christ's unconditional love with the faithful members of the historic First Baptist Church of Dallas in April, due to new information that has been brought to my attention, I have decided to cancel my upcoming appearance," Tebow Tweeted this morning. "I will continue to use the platform God has blessed me with to bring Faith, Hope and Love to all those needing a brighter day. Thank you for all of your love and support. God Bless!"
10:22 a.m.: From Tom Reed (@treedPD): "Bears coach Marc Trestman, who interviewed with #Browns, says he must catch up on NFL personnel after 5 yrs in CFL. pic.twitter.com/jwB03uPlEu"
Hmmm, Bears fans must wonder if he thinks Rex Grossman is still somewhere in the Soldier Field locker room.
10:13 a.m.: Browns coach Rob Chudzinski and Joe Banner are expected to have press conferences in Indianapolis over the next four days. There isn't any word, as yet, on the availability of personnel director Mike Lombardi, who is presumably pondering every medical report and preparing incisive interview questions.
He had better, says Bud Shaw.
"Think of it as the first day of the rest of Mike Lombardi's Cleveland legacy. What's different this time -- and from many of his other career stops, too -- is his name will be directly attached to the picks made in the April draft and all personnel acquisitions to come. The good, the bad, the ugly. It's on him in this roundup."
10:06 a.m.: Apparently Alabama offensive tackle D.J. Fluker, who tipped the scales prior to the BCS title game at 355 pounds, is taking the combine seriously. He was weighed at 339 this morning, reports Pro Football Talk.
"Losing 16 pounds in a month isn’t physically possible for a lot of people and probably isn’t healthy even for most overweight people, but if NFL coaches and scouts were telling Fluker at the Senior Bowl that they’d like him to slim down, they have to be impressed that he took that advice to heart."
10 a.m.: Today, the interviews and medical examinations target tight ends, offensive linemen and special teamers (primarily punters and kickers). Not surprisingly, we're now getting reports of until-now undisclosed injuries and operations for various prospects.
The latest is for Alabama cornerback Dee Milliner, who will have surgery to repair a torn shoulder labrum -- not considered particularly troublesome for NFL teams who will still get a full combine's worth of workouts from the Crimson Tide's standout defensive back.
""The doctors have informed us that he will be 100 percent and fully recovered in time for training camp in July," Tony Fleming, one of Milliner's agents, told ESPN's Adam Schefter. "We will be providing all NFL clubs information prior to surgery and updates close to the draft."
Meanwhile, Twitter is a fun place to get random pieces of NFL news, such as this by NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah (@movethesticks), a former scout for the Browns, on the measureables of Central Michigan offensive tackle Eric Fisher, a presumed high first-round choice in April: "Central Michigan OT Eric Fisher 6'7 1/4 306 lbs. Arm length 34 1/2. #NFLCombine"
Ah, the wonders of a few hundred media toiling away inside a largely empty football stadium in February...
To whet your appetite, here's Sports Illustrated's Andrew Perloff (McLovin to you Dan Patrick fans) on the combine's key storylines.