In this interview, the calm, confident and somewhat reserved Shurmur steps outside of his comfort zone and lets fans see a little bit of the man behind the clipboard.
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Spend an hour in the meticulous office of Browns head coach Pat Shurmur and you'll discover that he's all about the four Fs: family, football, faith and fishing.
He begins his career today as the 13th full-time head coach of the Cleveland Browns, and fans will 'be happy to know that he's all about bringing a Super Bowl victory to this storied franchise.
Shurmur has 23 years of coaching experience, 12 in the NFL that include two as offensive coordinator of the Rams. He also brings with him his wife Jennifer and their four children, who have already fallen in love with Cleveland. In this interview, the calm, confident and somewhat reserved Shurmur steps outside of his comfort zone and lets fans see a little bit of the man behind the clipboard:
Q: You began your career as an IBM salesman in Detroit. What would your life be like now if you hadn't quit IBM to become a football coach?
A: Soon after I was at IBM, they went through major cuts, so I might've gotten fired. I don't know. I'm assuming we would've gone on and had a family. But my goodness, it would be so much different. I really enjoy the profession. I really enjoy teaching and coaching. I've enjoyed what the profession has meant to the family. They've lived in California, New Jersey, Missouri and Ohio. It's been good.
Q: Your dad, Joe, an orthopedic surgeon who died in 1996 of cancer, was the one who encouraged you to follow your heart into coaching. Was it the best advice you've ever received?
A: Without question. It's simple logic and simple advice. Go do what you enjoy, and eventually you'll be good at it. And then all of the other stuff in life will come to you.
Q: What would you be doing now if you weren't a coach?
A: I've always teased that I'd be a fisherman, but raising four kids, I think that'd be tough. Once I embarked on this career, I never thought of anything else.
Q: How do you balance football and raising four kids?
A: Most, if not all, of my free time is at home. Regardless of how long I'm at work, I try to get home. Aside from all the love you feel for your family, I really enjoy being around them, and their activities are fun things to watch, the swim meets, the football games, or whatever. They're all caring and they work hard. I'd credit Jennifer with most of what's good about them. She's been terrific.
Q: You have three daughters and a son, ranging from third grade to a sophomore in college. What advice do you have for dads of girl?
A: Treat their mothers well. Treat their mothers well and I mean that because I think that's where they learn normal interaction between men and women. That's where they learn, as they move on and have boyfriends and eventually husbands. And the other part is, just be honest and real with them. I'm willing to laugh at myself. I'm willing to say check with mom or I don't want to hear that.
Q: Your wife, Jennifer, was an All-Big Ten swimmer at Michigan State and in three events, she still has one of the 10 fastest times in school history. You were an honorable mention All-America center for the Spartans. Who's the better athlete?
A: Jen is by far the better athlete. She was a terrific swimmer. I'm probably more of a try-hard, overachiever type. I wouldn't consider myself a terrific athlete, although I did OK.
Q: How did you meet Jennifer?
A: We met passing by on the street at Michigan State and then the swimmers were using our weight room, our football weight room, so I met her on campus. The first time we visited, I went back to the dorm and told my roommates that I met the girl I was going to marry. She needed some convincing, I'm sure. But I said that right away.
Q: So it was love at first sight?
A: I guess you can say that. She's great.
Q: All of your kids swim competitively, including your oldest daughter, Allyson, at Boston College. Do you feel like a fish out of water living with all of those swimmers?
A: I enjoy the water, I just can't swim competitively. But it's a terrific sport. It's very competitive, very individual, but very team-oriented. There's boys and girls so they learn how to interact with each other.
Q: Your son Kyle is the starting freshman quarterback at St. Edward. In his debut, he threw three touchdown passes against Findlay -- in the first quarter. Do you have great expectations for him?
A: I'm enjoying watching him compete and excel at what he enjoys. He loves playing quarterback and he loves his new school. He's passionate about football. According to my wife, he also has real talent as a swimmer. I'm just kind of sitting in the background on football. What I hope from his sporting experience -- just like the girls -- is that they learn how to compete and have fun.
Q: As a longtime QB coach with the [Philadelphia] Eagles, are you coaching him up?
A: Anything he wants he to know about football, I let him approach me with it. In the younger years I didn't try to jam it down his throat and as time's gone on, he's trying to develop himself as a young quarterback. There are things he's asked me about. Being at Browns camp, seeing the players, I think he studies it and I think he's got a pretty good feel for the game. We'll watch film on occasion, but most of his work [during training camp] was in the locker room doing laundry. He still appreciates being around the game and doesn't feel entitled by it.
Q: You tore your anterior cruciate ligament as a freshman at Michigan State, which ended your plans to play linebacker and possibly baseball there. Still, you were signed by the Packers as an undrafted rookie center and then cut in camp. Do you ever wonder "What if?"
A: I don't really have any regrets. You need to have talent to play in this league. It wasn't the knee. It got to the point where it was beyond my overachieving abilities to play in the NFL. You move on.
Q: Favorite childhood memory?
A: I have a lot of good ones. Not a lot of bad ones. My dad was in the Navy, and we lived on a canal on a base in Key West when I was in first and second grade. Those two years were a lot of fun. We did a lot of fishing and diving and that was enjoyable.
Q: If you could spend a day with your dad now, what would you do?
A: Fishing. No question. In Key West, we'd go off-shore and fish for sailfish and dolphin. Then we'd fish in the gulf for grouper and snapper.
Q: You just bought a house here on the lake. Will you get your fishing fix?
A: Yes. We enjoy the water. (Browns General Manager) Tom Heckert said part of my hiring is I was supposed to buy a boat. Tom enjoys fishing and boating as much as I do. He's a bass fisherman. I'm more of a salt-water fisherman, but as a kid, we used to fish Lake Erie for walleye. I'm definitely going to get a boat once the season is over.
Q: There's not a scrap of paper or a speck of dust on your desk. What gives?
A: I'm the oldest of four and I have a lot of oldest-child tendencies. I like things in their place, although I don't mind chaos. I can operate in it. That's what coaching is all about. I don't mind exerting myself and delegating, although I will sit quietly if it's a situation where I don't feel like I know what I'm talking about it.
Q: Describe your personality.
A: I lived for a few years as a wild man. That's kind of how you start learning how to coach: the loudest guy is the rightest. But I've tried to develop a calmness, which the players respond to. When I really do get uptight, they notice it. I enjoy working. I enjoy a good laugh. I enjoy a nice meal, good conversation. I enjoy the storytelling that happens when you're with 20 coaches and 90 players. But I can sit here in the office alone and look out the window and I'm OK with that too.
Q: Wait a minute. Wild man? Can't imagine that.
A: I guess when you're younger, you show your emotions a lot more. It kind of goes unchecked. I had a few of those years I'm sure when I was in college. It's probably not the best way to live.
Q: What's on your bucket list?
A: I want to fish for marlin in Australia. I want to win a Super Bowl. I want to see my kids grow and develop happy and productive lives. Then I'd like for Jennifer and I to sit back whenever it is and look back on it and enjoy it.
Q: What's on your Ipod?
A: I have a little bit of everything. I've always liked Jimmy Buffet. I became a Bruce Springsteen fan when I met Jennifer. Being out east, every girl grew up in love with Bruce Springsteen. James Taylor, Fleetwood Mac. More easy listening.
Q: On your favorite book list?
A: I've always been fascinated by books about the Mafia. I read sports. My favorite writer of all time is Ernest Hemingway. "Old Man and the Sea" is by far my favorite. It's simple and a quick read. Islands in the Stream probably would be next.
Q: Top movies?
A: I've always liked "Jaws." Jennifer and I love "Forrest Gump." All the "Godfather" movies.
Q: The perfect family vacation?
A: We went to Rome two summers ago before Allyson left for college. Kyle was confirmed at the Vatican. It was an outstanding trip. We were there for 10 days and visited Pompeii and the Amalfi coast. Regardless of your religion, the Vatican, the history, you're looking at a country with artifacts over 2,000 years old. The food, the wine, my goodness.
Q: Speaking of religion, you're Catholic, went to Catholic schools and all of your children also do. Talk about your faith.
A: I tend to keep it very private. I try to stick to the rituals of it, which I think has helped me. But like I've said to the team a couple of times already, we're probably all strong in our faith and we all believe in different things, but it's important everybody keeps it private.
Q: You're usually up before 5 a.m. What's up with that?
A: I like the ritual of the morning. I really enjoy drinking coffee, I enjoy the morning commute, I enjoy exercising in the morning -- usually running -- and getting to my desk ready to do my work. I like the idea that you're up and maybe a lot of people aren't, getting a jump on the day. Jennifer's the same way. I do sleep more the night before a game and I enjoy that.
Q: You worked under Eagles coach Andy Reid for 10 years. What did you take from Andy?
A: Andy is very real and I appreciate that. He has a reputation as being in control and in charge, but behind the scenes I found him to be very real. He was always himself. You've got to be willing to laugh at yourself and admit your mistakes.
Q: What about your uncle, Fritz Shurmur, the longtime NFL assistant who was Mike Holmgren's defensive coordinator?
A: He was a hard-driver. He really loved pro football. I don't think he enjoyed the recruiting that came with college ball. So his advice to me was to work hard to get into pro football and then work even harder to stay.
Q: And George Perles, the former MSU coach who recruited you and hired you as a grad assistant?
A: The big thing about George was, that no matter how fancy football gets, no matter how smart you think you are, the underlying ingredient to good football teams is toughness. Some people might say he oversold it, but I don't think so. That's how we were taught: Remember what you're supposed to do and then be tough. Just fight it out. The appreciation I gained from him is that boys will be boys. There will be a fight or two and once in awhile a good boy might do a bad thing, but you don't kick that kid to the curb. You work with him. And I think there's something to that.
Q: If you had a Mulligan in life, what would it be?
A: I wish we could've won the Super Bowl when we lost to the Patriots (2004 season). That's a total do-over. That's pretty much it.
Q: You coached Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb to three Pro Bowl selections. What about Donovan?
A: When I was working with him, he was a superstar in this league. He had a heroic ability in that when he was on the field, you always had a chance to win. I always appreciated him. He was a fun-loving guy. He worked harder on things than at times people gave him credit for. I really enjoyed the relationship.
Q: What do you see in Colt McCoy?
A: I see a guy that wants to do everything perfectly. He acts like an oldest child. I see a guy that's very talented. I see a guy that's got a great command of playing this game. I see a guy that wants to be great. If we hadn't drafted Sam Bradford (in St. Louis) we would've positioned ourselves to get Colt. I really liked him coming out.
Q: What are your hopes and dreams as head coach here?
A: I understand the immense responsibility of being a coach and I take it very seriously. What you want is to bring a championship to town. That's what you're shooting for. Any goal less than that, you're selling yourself, your team and the town short. I feel comfortable in Cleveland, I love the interaction I've had with the fans and I really like our team. You talk about building and developing, but there's a lot of guys on this team where the future is now.
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