The Indians and Browns provide plenty of Talkin' fodder this weekend.
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- There's a pennant race and it's finally football season. So there's plenty to be talkin' ...
About the Tribe's deal ...
1. When the Indians talked trade with Colorado, there were about 30 different packages discussed. At the center were Rockies pitcher Ubaldo Jimenez and Tribe phenom Drew Pomeranz. If the Indians wanted Jimenez, it was going to cost them Pomeranz and a lot more. For a long time, the Rockies wanted Alex White, Jason Kipnis and Pomeranz in the deal.
2. The Rockies would have made the trade for Kipnis and Pomeranz. They really wanted Kipnis to play second. The Indians believe Kipnis can become an All-Star -- remember, all of this was happening before Kipnis had a few weeks doing a Babe Ruth imitation.
3. The Indians' stance was no deal with Kipnis. The Rockies then said if no Kipnis, then White must be in the package. The Rockies stressed the risk with White, coming back from an injury on his right middle finger. No one believes White will have the same troubles as Adam Miller, but the shadow of Miller being derailed by the injury hung over the talks.
4. Until the drafting of first-rounders White (2009) and Pomeranz (2010), Miller was the prime pitching prospect drafted by the Tribe. The 31st pick in 2003, he was once clocked at 100 mph. He was 15-6 with a 2.75 ERA at Class AA Akron at the age of 21, and a star in the Tribe's 2007 spring training. He was sent to Class AAA with the idea of him pitching 6-8 weeks, but that's when the finger was first injured. He's never been close to the same since. He's 1-3 with a 6.03 ERA at Akron.
5. The Rockies had a reason to be careful. Jorge De La Rosa suffered a finger injury in 2010, missing more than two months. He came back this season and was 5-2 with a 3.51 ERA, then blew out his elbow and had reconstructive surgery. So they wanted pitching depth in the deal.
6. White had a 45-pitch limit in a rehab performance at Class AA Tulsa, throwing 3 impressive scoreless innings Thursday. The Rockies plan to bring him to the majors in a few weeks. So his comeback continues to be very positive.
7. The Indians had other considerations -- trying to win now and in the next two years. After 2013, the following players are free agents: Asdrubal Cabrera, Shin-Soo Choo and Jimenez. Grady Sizemore has a $9 million option for 2012. The Indians sound as if they will pick it up. The Indians should rework it so that the guaranteed salary is much lower, with incentives for games played, production, etc. Travis Hafner will be in the final guaranteed season ($13 million) of his contract in 2012.
8. Fausto Carmona's contract keeps rising ($7 million in 2012, $9 million in 2013 and $12 million in 2014). Remember that those are all "club options," meaning not guaranteed. Carmona at $7 million in 2012 is a price worth paying as the Indians believe he is coming back to his 2010 form (13-14, 3.77). He has a 3.03 ERA in his last six starts since coming off the disabled list.
9. The point is the Indians want to make a serious playoff run in the next few years, before some key players probably leave via free agency. They will approach Cabrera and Choo after the season with contract extensions. Represented by Scott Boras, it would be a shock if Choo signed one.
10. As for some other Indians, here is when they are free agents: Chris Perez (2015), Justin Masterson (2015), David Huff (2015), Matt LaPorta (2015), Michael Brantley (2017), Josh Tomlin (2017).
About the Indians ...
1. If you think the Indians are receiving poor defense at first base, you can use some very complicated stats from fangraphs.com to make the point. No need to go into great detail, other than the Web site ranked 19 AL first basemen who have played at least 300 innings. LaPorta ranked 17th, ahead of Miguel Cabrera (Detroit) and Eric Hosmer (Kansas City). At No. 16 is Adam Lind (Toronto). Carlos Santana ranked 15th.
2. Manager Manny Acta loved Cabrera getting into it with Santana in the dugout Thursday against Detroit because he wants his shortstop to know that while he may only be 25, he is the captain of the infield. At third is 22-year-old Lonnie Chisenhall and at second is 24-year-old Kipnis, both rookies. Then there's LaPorta and Santana at first. For most of his big-league career, Cabrera was the youngest infielder with the Tribe -- and he's quiet by nature. With Orlando Cabrera gone, Asdrubal needs to be willing to apply some peer pressure.
3. Orlando Cabrera is indeed the Giants' regular shortstop. Entering the weekend, he was batting .244 (10-of-41) with one error in 11 games.
4. The Indians opened the season with veterans Adam Everett, Travis Buck, Jack Hannahan, Orlando Cabrera, Austin Kearns, Chad Durbin and Justin Germano on one-year contracts. The only ones left are Hannahan and Durbin.
5. Kearns began 2010 with the Tribe, batting .272 (.770 OPS) in 84 games. He was traded to New York in August and became a part-time, no-production player. Since that deal for Zach McAllister, Kearns batted .211 (.640 OPS) with four homers and 14 RBI in 252 at-bats. It was amazing the Indians stayed so patient, when the signs of him struggling in this role were there in 2010. He did have 150 at-bats this season, hitting .210 with two homers and seven RBI.
6. Shelley Duncan has a big, undisciplined swing. But he does "run into a fastball" now and then, a phrase used by scouts. Entering the weekend, Duncan was hitting .243 (.708 OPS) with four homers and 23 RBI in 115 at-bats. He can be a useful hitter coming off the bench.
7. If the Indians want bullpen help, they may grab Chen Lee from Class AAA Columbus, where he entered the weekend at 3-0 with a 1.25 ERA. In 22 innings, he has fanned 33 and walked five. The Rockies wanted him in the Jimenez deal, and other teams asked about him. He's a native of Taiwan and he's 24. Nick Hagadone got off to a slow start at Columbus, but the lefty has a 1.59 ERA in his last 10 games, fanning 19 in 17 innings. His Clippers ERA is down to 3.26. He also is a candidate to be promoted.
8. Cord Phelps has settled down, taking a 13-game hitting streak (.375) into the weekend. Playing second base regularly -- he was mostly at short earlier in the year -- his defense is solid. He has only three errors in 35 games at that position, after making five errors in a dozen games at second with the Tribe. I would not give up on Phelps, as he's hitting .304 (.876 OPS) for the Clippers. He a switch hitter, and only 24. He's not the first guy to look lost in his initial big-league performance.
9. It wasn't exactly reassuring to hear that the only other Tribe player besides Kipnis to homer six times in his first 16 big-league games was Luis Medina. He did it back in 1988 in 51 late-season at-bats. He opened 1989 with the Tribe, and batted only .205 with four homers in 83 at-bats. That was the end of his big league career -- 10 homers in 163 at-bats. His 16 RBI is a record for the fewest runs knocked in for any player with at least 10 career homers. He later played in Japan and the minors. It's a good bet Kipnis is on a much different career path.
10. I will be speaking at the North Ridgeville Library on Aug. 20 at 2 p.m. Call 440-327-8326 for information. It's free, and I talk sports, take questions and sign books.
The things I like about the Browns ...
1. Colt McCoy is the starting quarterback. Seneca Wallace is a quality backup. McCoy will have to be a disaster to lose the job. Any serious debate can wait until after the season after we all have a chance to watch McCoy with an offense that suits him from the opening of training camp.
2. The Browns lack a major wide receiver, but they do have a lot of people who can catch the ball. Peyton Hillis and Brandon Jackson are two excellent backs when it comes to receiving. Tight ends Ben Watson, Evan Moore and Jordan Cameron also should be quality receivers.
3. The Browns signed Jackson, rather than count on Montario Hardesty being healthy.
4. Hillis can be a monster at running back, especially if he doesn't have to carry the ball 90 percent of the time.
5. Left guard Joe Thomas and center Alex Mack are Pro Bowl caliber. Eric Steinbach is solid at left guard. Shawn Lauvao will get a shot to claim right guard.
6. Joe Haden starts at cornerback from Day One.
7. Scott Fujita is athletic enough to play any linebacker spot, and should excel in the 4-3 defense. Chris Gocong also is a very reliable linebacker in any defense.
8. Ahtyba Rubin is on the team. He can play in the NFL for a long time on the defensive line.
9. T.J. Ward should get better after leading the defense in snaps played as a rookie in 2010.
10. Phil Dawson is back and Joshua Cribbs is healthy. Special teams should be strong, unless they struggle to find a punter.
The things I don't like about the Browns ...
1. They are counting on D'Qwell Jackson to stay healthy at middle linebacker. Perhaps he will, but he's played only six games in two years. But the Browns have Jackson, Fujita and Gocong listed as starters. The top backup is Kaluka Maiava, who is coming off knee surgery and was mostly a special teams player. Here's hoping they find their own Matt Roth (who signed with Jacksonville) on the waiver wire when players are cut at the end of camp.
2. They are so inexperienced on the defensive line. It's very possible GM Tom Heckert is right about top picks Phil Taylor and Jabaal Sheard, but both are rookies. Jayme Mitchell has only 31 tackles in four NFL seasons. Only Rubin is a proven defensive lineman.
3. Mohammed Massaquoi has not practiced because of a foot injury.
4. Hardesty is still bothered (or something) by his surgically repaired knee and hasn't practiced.
5. Sheldon Brown (he's not the problem) is going to have to play so much, because the only experienced backup cornerback is Michael Adams. He also is the top backup safety. This can change if Dimitri Patterson can show the form that he did in nine starts for the Eagles last season. They really need depth here.
6. Punter Reggie Hodges blew out his Achilles. Since the return in 1999, the Browns have had excellent punters from Chris Gardocki to Dave Zastudil to Hodges.
7. Tony Pashos is the right tackle. Like D'Qwell Jackson, Pashos is a legitimate starter when healthy. But he has been hurt most of the last two years. Wish they had some real veteran depth on the right side in case Pashos is injured again.
8. There were no mini-camps. A real setback for a team with a rookie head coach, three new coordinators bringing in two new systems -- and a quarterback who has only seven pro starts.