Some fans love all the draft intrigue, some are worried. But all seem to want to change Tony Grossi's mind.
AP photoTrade down, trade up, trade all around. It's been a couple of weeks, but Browns fans are still buzzing about the team's wheeling and dealing -- and occasionally about first-round pick Phil Taylor (right) and Madden cover boy Peyton Hillis in this week's mailbag. Hey, Tony: I like the draft generally speaking, but the Browns seem to be getting a pass on the trade up from 27th to 21st. Obviously they are very high on Phil Taylor -- but even as the draft progressed, it was apparent that a good DL would be there for them at #27. As it turns out Muhammad Wilkerson could have been had and they would not have had to trade away their third-round pick. Other than this move, I liked their draft a lot. What say you? -- Dan Fairz, Warren, Pa.
Hey, Dan: You're correct to say the Browns had to surrender a third-round pick to make sure they would not lose Taylor after their initial trade down. He was the player they targeted. Wilkerson, an end, would not have filled the same role in the middle of their defensive front as Taylor.
Hey, Tony: I understand that contact between a team and their players is forbidden during this work stoppage, but are teams permitted to converse with the players' agents or the agents for players likely to be free agents? -- Mike Egan, McAllen, Texas
Hey, Mike: No, there is supposed to be no contact -- or, rather, conversation -- between team officials and a player's agent.
Hey, Tony: My friend is not willing to see the side of NFL owners. He claims that if he were an owner, he would give the players all of his team info that the league did not want to turn over because he sides with the players. I say his competition will pummel him because he gave away his company information and his product will suffer greatly. Can you knock some sense into him even though he won't accept the truth? -- Mark Dominic, Houston, Texas
Hey, Mark: I think owners are against showing their books because of possibly embarrassing revelations, such as the salaries of family members and ownership luxuries charged to the team.
Hey, Tony: Any chance the Browns have interest in Ray Edwards? I saw that he was unhappy in Minnesota. Also, do you have any inside information on who the Browns will be targeting as far as undrafted free agents? I'd like them to bring in Terrance Tolliver, Mark Herzlinch, John Clay, Dane Sanzenbacher, Pat Devlin, Noel Devine, Devon Torrence, Will Hill, Justin Boren, and there are plenty of other good players to be had. -- Dan Desai, Westlake
Hey, Dan: You would assume that Edwards would be on the Browns' radar screen. He would be a fine complement to No. 2 draft choice Jabaal Sheard, and they do need another starting end. As for the undrafted free agents, I would guess that the cornerbacks and Devlin would be players of interest.
Hey, Tony: What is the earliest possible timeframe for the beginning of free agency? What are your thoughts on the chances of the Browns (a) wanting to and (b) being able to pick up Dane Sanzenbacher from OSU or Keith Darbut from Baldwin-Wallace? Any other undrafted guys that you could see them pursuing? -- Don Jones, Stonington (formerly of Westlake), Conn.
Hey, Don: Some framework of rules may be set in place by the NFL after the June 3 hearing in appeals court regarding their lockout. However, if the owners win that appeal and the lockout is kept in place, there is no incentive for them to start free agency. My hunch is that Sanzenbacher would not be a player of interest to the Browns, but Darbut might. I would think the Browns would pursue the following positions among undrafted players -- defensive end, cornerback, safety, running back, quarterback, offensive tackle.
Hey, Tony: You say the Browns should have stayed at No. 6 and taken a premium/star player, presumably Julio Jones. But how many WRs in the entire NFL would you trade two 1sts, a 2nd, and two 4ths for? -- Casey Valentine, Dublin
Hey, Casey: My official position on the trade was I preferred trading down only a few spots -- not 21 notches, and then needing to give up a third-round pick to move up six. True, there aren't but a few receivers in the NFL you would trade that many draft picks for. I get that. But my overall point is the Browns need top-10 talent. OK, maybe you wouldn't take a receiver in the top 10. But take a player with talent that you wouldn't be able to get at No. 21. The teams successful at drafting consistently in the 20s are the ones with star players already in place. How did the Eagles become an elite team? They used the No. 2 pick in the 1999 draft on quarterback Donovan McNabb.
Hey, Tony: Is all the excitement about a new West Coast scheme just because Brian Daboll's offense hurt to watch? I didn't catch many Rams' games last year, so is there any reason to believe that it is more than just a dink and dunk passing attack? -- Matt Krystofik, Dayton
Hey, Matt: Yes, there are a lot of short passes in the West Coast scheme. But the general philosophy represents a quantum improvement in what the Browns tried to do offensively the previous two years. It's an aggressive approach to moving the ball and going for touchdowns rather than settling for field goals. It puts the ball quickly in receivers' hands and allows them to make plays after the catch.
Hey, Tony: Do you think maybe you could give the draft picks a chance instead of blowing them out of the water before they even play a snap? If you've actually worked for an NFL team and have participated in making actual decisions on draft picks please let me know, otherwise give it a rest already and let their performance on the field determine if it's a good draft or not. -- Ed Laughrin, Austintown
Hey, Ed: Anybody can judge a draft after three years. What's the fun of that?
Ed Zurga / Associated PressThere's always someone wondering if Kevin Kolb would be a better fit for the Browns, but Tony believes the team is certain to give Colt McCoy the full season to learn the new West Coast offense. Hey, Tony: If Philadelphia would take one of our first-rounders in 2012, plus a fourth rounder for Kevin Kolb would you make the trade? -- Ronnie Butcher, Harrison
Hey, Ronnie: No. Acquiring Kolb would just create another Brady Quinn-Derek Anderson QB competition. I'm fine with investing in Colt McCoy. We should know by the end of 2011 if he is the guy or not.
Hey, Tony: Looking back, do you think letting Kamerion Wimbley go was a mistake? He could have played DE! -- Ernie Derose, Columbus
Hey, Ernie: I thought trading Wimbley was a mistake at the time. And you're right, he would be a starting defensive end in the 4-3. However, the third-round draft pick obtained from Oakland was used to select Colt McCoy. If he develops into a franchise quarterback, it will go down as one of the team's greatest trades.
Hey, Tony: The Browns have gaping holes at LB and RB, which should have been addressed in the draft. Instead, the took Owen Marecic and Jordan Cameron. I just don't see how those picks make this a better football team. At RB, they pass up the chance of picking up a complementary back to Hillis. I can't believe the front office is comfortable with Mike Bell getting carries next season. -- Matt Hawley, Wakeman
Hey, Matt: I do think the fourth-round picks -- Cameron and Marecic -- represent kind of a black hole of the past draft. They can fill the complementary running back role through free agency. I don't expect Mike Bell back. But I agree those selections would have been better served on positions like offensive line and perhaps cornerback.
Hey, Tony: You seem to love knocking the Browns for trading down. Are you familiar with the academic paper by Massey and Thaler (The Loser's Curse) which shows top picks are not worth the money and the most excess value (performance greater than pay) is actually found in the late first/early second round? I don't agree with it 100 percent, but you should give it a read before continually bashing the Browns' recent decisions. We don't need a repeat of Courtney Brown/Tim Couch/Big Money ... busts who we pay waaaay too much money to. -- Chetwood Dontavious, Hunting Valley
Hey, Chetwood: I haven't bashed the trade down. I questioned it. It is not a no-brainer in my opinion. I've said the trade made me uneasy, but acquiring a 2012 No. 1 made it tolerable. I don't think a team without stars can afford to pass up so many potential stars. If you have, say, a franchise quarterback and another star player on offense, it's much more sensible to play the trade-down game. If you think drafting out of the top 10 automatically guarantees you success, you are crazy. If you are uncomfortable drafting in the top 10, then the only solution is to win games and not finish in the top 10 draft order. Consistently trading out of the top 10 is no more a blueprint for building a team than consistently drafting in the top 10.
Hey, Tony: As far as Colt McCoy is concerned, the only negative we hear over and over is his lack of arm strength, and it seems to be your biggest concern as well. There must be an objective way to actually measure this. Are there reports comparing his velocity to other quarterbacks? Or perhaps data showing how far he can throw the ball? If they do exist, can you share them with us? -- Gary Kleinman, Aurora
Hey, Gary: How about this novel concept? Watch his throws in games in December. Don't make it overly scientific. Just watch and see if the ball arrives on time and at the right place and with enough spin to be unaffected -- or less affected -- by the weather elements. Does the quarterback wobble the ball on throws longer than a few yards? Does the ball hang in the air to allow cornerbacks to make plays on it? Just watch. It is not rocket science.
Hey, Tony: Please clarify why A.J. Green is a better deep threat than Greg Little. Didn't Little run a slightly faster time in the 40 at the combine? No comparison at this point as to who is the most polished reciever, but I don't understand the deep threat part. -- SL Smith, Canton
Hey, SL: Who said anything about a deep threat? The point is running after the catch. See the ball. Catch the ball. Run with the ball. Who had a better season in 2010? Oh, that's right, Greg Little did not play while A.J. Green competed at the highest level of college competition. I don't know anyone in their right mind who considers Little a better prospect than Green. It would be great if a player with Green's ability could be taken in the second round, but it's not going to happen.
Hey, Tony: Your article on football free agency didn't mention wide receiver or linebacker. Are we set, as is? -- William VanDorn, Lexington
Hey, William: I discussed the top three areas of need. I would not hold my breath waiting for the Browns to add a receiver in free agency. Linebacker, maybe.
Scott Shaw / The Plain DealerEric Steinbach and the rest of the Browns offensive line are either a strength of the team -- or one of its biggest concerns ... depending upon the fan who writes in. Hey, Tony: Many readers are talking about an offensive tackle need. If Tony Pashos can not stay healthy, Floyd Womack played very well at tackle and Billy Yates did well at guard till injured. The young guys can earn the start and maybe push Eric Steinbach, who is a high-priced Savage free agent. -- Irish Dog, Perry
Hey, Dog: As I wrote in my pre-draft position analysis, some people won't be happy until the Browns devote first-round picks on every position on the offensive line. Lauvao has to come through at guard this year. Pinkston could be a backup swingman, possibly a developmental starting right tackle. Womack is a handy, heady player but has bad knees. If Yates returns, it could free up Pinkston to concentrate on tackle.
Hey, Tony: Julio Jones did not appear to be a No. 6 pick (with his butterfingers issues), and there wasn't any sure-fire picks the Browns needed, so tell me what's the matter with a trade that ended up with a solid #21 pick and a round one pick next year plus a few more extras? -- Mike Love, Merritt Island, Fla.
Hey, Mike: First of all, they traded down to 27 and then had to give up a third-round pick to move up to 21 for a defensive tackle, Phil Taylor. You call him a solid pick. Watch the tape of Illinois vs. Baylor and explain what happened there. Taylor was invisible. I applaud them for acquiring a No. 1 pick in 2012. Let's hope there is a draft in 2012. Commissioner Roger Goodell has expressed his concern that if the players are victorious in the current dispute, there will not be a draft. The league actually sent teams the warning: Trade (for future picks) at your own risk.
Overall, I would have preferred trading down a few spots and taking a player in the top 15. As for Jones, he would have been my pick if the Browns had stayed at No. 6. But I was not enamored with him. The best scenario would have been trading down a few spots, gaining an extra second, and winding up with Jones.
Hey, Tony: With Andrew Luck a virtual impossibility (and hopefully unneeded), do you see any chance the Browns would trade up in 2012 for a chance at Alshon Jeffrey from South Carolina? He impressed me more than Jones or Green did last year and was only a sophomore. With the Browns still without that elite-level receiver and moving into a West Coast offense, could you see Tom Heckert going for this guy? -- Brandon Thacker, Chillicothe
Hey, Brandon: It's evident that Heckert does not value receivers high. What would influence him to change his thinking next year?
Hey, Tony: OK, Lawrence Vickers isn't the best fit in the West Coast offense but how do you think the loss of his blocking will affect Hillis' running game? It seemed Hillis had excellent hands, but only ran one or two routes -- was that him or the old system? -- Austin Lindsay, Logan
Hey, Austin: Nothing the Browns did on offense the previous two years is easily explained. I think the offensive changes will be good for everybody.
Hey, Tony: I am a bit confused. You rail on about how great the Steelers are for drafting by needs. You also say that the Browns made a mistake by dropping down in the 2011 draft. My question is, if defensive line was the biggest need, and they felt that Phil Taylor was the best defensive lineman in the draft, why would they take him at number 6? Didn't they make the best move by dropping down, getting more picks, and still selecting the guy they had rated the highest? Also, it always floors me how we rate drafts so soon. Don't we have to wait a few years before we can really judge a draft? -- Cliff Bonner, Amesville
Hey, Cliff: Let's be clear about what I've said. I preferred to trade down a few spots -- not 21 spots. I do like the fact they acquired a first-round pick in 2012. Yes, defensive line was the Browns' biggest need and they tabbed a defensive lineman with their first pick. These are the linemen taken before Taylor at No. 21 -- Aldon Smith, J.J. Watt, Nick Fairley, Robert Quinn, Ryan Kerrigan, Corey Liuget and Adrian Clayborn. If Taylor turns out better than all of them, they made the right decision. As for your latter point, you and the team can wait three years to judge their draft. I have a deadline much sooner than that.
Hey, Tony: I enjoyed your recent discussion of DE Jabaal Sheard as one starter possibility opposite converted LB to DE Marcus Benard with Jayme Mitchell in the mix. You were previously strong on Matt Roth as a possible DE starter, if he were re-signed. Of these four, who would be your starters and who be their back ups. Do we need a fifth DE? -- Alan Fojt, Manassas, Va.
Hey, Alan: In the 4-3, the left defensive end generally is bigger and stouter vs. the run than the right end, who is the premier pass rusher. Under those guidelines, Sheard, Mitchell and Benard would compete at right end. Roth would be the only viable contender at left end. Since Roth is unsigned, I would suggest the need is for a free agent signee at left end. Maybe Mitchell can compete there, too.
Tracy Boulian / The Plain DealerLawrence Vickers clearing the way for the Ravens or the Steelers in 2011? That's a thought too grim for some fans to ponder. Hey, Tony: As it looks, Vickers is out of the Browns' plans. Can't you already foresee him leading the way for Rashard Mendanhall or Ray Rice at the worst of times for Browns fans next season? Whether it's against us or deep in the playoffs -- ugh. I'd like to remember him a Brown! -- Jeff, Colorado Springs
Hey, Jeff: I've stated numerous times that I believe Vickers to be the best lead blocker in the NFL. Your question reminds me of why I keep a running tab of players who played for the Browns, departed, and then appeared in a Super Bowl with another team.
Hey, Tony: The Houston Texans are switching to a 3-4 scheme and Mario Williams looks to be transitioning into an OLB instead of a DE. We as fans know that might not work out. Any chance Heckert trades one of the first-rounders to get him? -- Tony Zalar, Cuyahoga Falls
Hey, Tony: There is zero chance of Houston trading Williams. Zero.
Hey, Tony: I want to know if you have faith in Heckert's drafting. Impact players can be found anywhere in the draft. It's all about the organization's ability to find and evaluate talent and the coaching staff to build that talent. There will be busts all around the draft but the good teams know how to draft for their team and have the coaching staff to develop those players.
Also, some arrogant pre mock draft had us picking first overall next year and taking Andrew Luck. I believe we are currently heads above Washington and even Cincinnati right now and also would include Seattle and Arizona too. It's almost hurtful that the Browns are still viewed that low. -- Levi Mendenhall, Springfield
Hey, Levi: Yes, I do have confidence in Heckert's drafting. That doesn't mean everything he did in this draft graded an A. As for Patrick Peterson, I felt was he was the most overrated prospect in the top tier of the draft. We'll see. As for Luck, I think he's the best quarterback prospect since Peyton Manning. My nightmare is the Browns wind up with the first pick in the draft and Heckert trades it. (Kidding, of course.)
Hey, Tony: When the Browns drafted Brian Robiskie he was considered an NFL-ready WR. His father was an NFL WR coach. Yet he was unproductive his rookie season. Greg Little did not play last year and he has only played WR for one season. Can we expect his rookie season will be unproductive until he is able to bring his game to NFL level? -- Jimmy Brock, Berkeley, Calif.
Hey, Jimmy: We shall see, but the point is valid.
Hey, Tony: I'm wondering why you are questioning the drafting techniques of Heckert so much? Its obvious he went after guys he liked and wanted. You may not agree, but that's why you're a writer and not a GM. -- Lenny, Mentor
Hey, Lenny: No, the reason I'm a writer is because that's what I wanted to be. I was educated and trained to be a writer. Writing is a skill. Writing is good. Bravo to all writers.
Hey, Tony: I don't understand why there is so much talk about getting another safety to replace Abe Elam. I don't think on the whole of the season T.J. Ward was any better than Elam and I would argue Elam is much better at passing coverage. However, Ward for some reason went legend last year in the eyes of fans and media, but was rather suspect in tackling especially in the second half of the year. Don't we have more important matters than replacing Elam? -- Michael Spitale, Galena
Hey, Michael: I guess I've written off Elam because he was brought in by Eric Mangini and a new coaching staff usually brings in its own favorites. I agree with your assessment of Ward, by the way.
Hey, Tony: What do you foresee the Browns doing in regards to their aging linebacker corps? -- Dave S., St Simons Island, Ga.
Hey, Dave: Not much this season. Maybe they'll sign a couple undrafted linebackers and hope to find a player there. Maybe they'll add a veteran free agent.
Hey, Tony: What is the status with Phil Dawson? Did he accept our tender? -- Dave Peter, Port Saint Lucie, Fla.
Hey, Dave: Dawson did not sign the franchise tender before all NFL business transactions came to a halt because of the owners lockout. The Browns want him back. Dawson was mentally and emotionally prepared for free agency.
Hey, Tony: With all the pre-draft info available nowadays, one thing about Owen Marecic has been extremely common. All (to my best recollection) have been sure to mention that he could be drafted as a LB as well as a FB. What's the chance, also considering the lack of depth in this year's LB class, Heckert actually had Marecic rated as the best LB prospect available and this is where he'll land on the roster? -- Jimmy D., Parts Forgotten
Hey, Jimmy: I have not seen a single report suggesting Marecic could be drafted as a linebacker. He filled in at the position his final season. Heckert emphasized that Marecic was drafted as a fullback and there is no thought of him competing at middle linebacker.
Hey, Tony: You wrote that Donte Whitier would be a target in free agency. While we'd all love a Cleveland and OSU guy, isn't he a strong safety and the Browns need a free safety? -- Ben Williamson, Fairfield, Conn.
Hey, Ben: No doubt Whitner's strong suit is not in coverage. Thus, he probably would not be a good fit here, after all.
Hey, Tony: I thought Shawn Lauvao was drafted last year to be the RG? Now that we've again drafted a guard, does this mean Lauvao was not as good as we were told? -- Jonesy, Spencer
Hey, Jonesy: Lauvao's first season certainly took a turn for the worse after his preseason high ankle sprain. I found the drafting of Jason Pinkston a bit baffling since the Browns, and other teams, consider him a guard prospect.
Hey, Tony: So several players have been given the playbook. Are they allowed to make copies to pass around to other players? Is that frowned upon or completely against the rules? -- Ryan, Akron
Hey, Ryan: I would hope that Colt McCoy's playbook would have been copied by now and distributed to everybody on offense.
Hey, Tony: I don't recall the Browns drafting a LB in the draft this year and think this is a major concern. I understand that the 4-3 system makes DEs the primary pass rushers, but isn't it true that any defense needs good LBs to both rush the QB and drop into shallow coverage? After seeing what we have had, shouldn't we have drafted at least one in the first three rounds? Or do you think they plan to sign one in free agency? -- Alex Lawhorn, Hillsboro
Hey, Alex: Many GMs don't place a high premium on linebackers in the draft. Heckert is among that group. He never took a linebacker higher than the third round in Philadelphia. Last year, Heckert signed one linebacker in free agency (Scott Fujita) and traded for another (Chris Gocong). I think adding another linebacker in free agency is possible, but Heckert has said he is comfortable with his roster at that position.
Hey, Tony: ESPN reports Steve Smith wants to be traded and the asking price is between a second to fourth round pick. Do you think the Browns would consider a trade and do you recommend it? -- Mike Traylor, Rochester, N.Y.
Hey, Mike: I wouldn't give up two picks for him. He makes a lot of money, is over 30 and has declined in recent years.
Hey, Tony: So Colt McCoy has organized a few "mini-camps." It seems to me that these are only offensive camps. Are defensive players showing up, or are they planning on holding their own? Do we have a leader on defense like it seems Colt is to the offense? -- Jared Smith, Layton, Utah
Hey, Jared: The problem with the defensive workouts is nobody on defense has Dick Jauron's playbook. Offensive players can throw the ball around, but what can defensive players do in a productive workout? Not much.
Hey, Tony: With two first-round picks next year, do you think they are in a good position to get the No. 1 quarterback next year if McCoy doesn't show he can be the quarterback of our future? I thought of this, maybe they did too? -- Mike Aiello, Carlsbad, Calif.
Hey, Mike: The only way to get Andrew Luck next year, in my opinion, is to finish with the worst record in the NFL.
-- Tony