Former Missouri coach Gary Pinkel, a native of Akron and Kent State alum, is retired from coaching and doing well as he battles lymphoma.
COLUMBIA, Missouri -- Former Missouri Tigers coach Gary Pinkel walked into his favorite coffee shop here recently, looking every bit like the tight end who once played for the Kent State Golden Flashes -- broad shouldered, long-striding and back-slapping familiar faces from one end of the room to the other.
"This is where I had my interview when I came out here,'' Pinkel said. "It's the only coffee shop I know."
Pinkel, 64 and a native of Akron, ended his coaching career following the 2015 season after discovering he had lymphoma.
In 15 seasons at Missouri, Pinkel, compiled a 118-73 record and made 10 bowl trips, winning six. He was head coach at Toledo from 1991-2000 and went 73-37-3, making one bowl trip. He is the winningest coach at both schools.
He played under Hall of Fame coach Don James at Kent State, along with defensive back Nick Saban, now the head coach at Alabama. His roommate was NFL Hall of Famer Jack Lambert. Pinkel is a Mid-American Conference Hall of Famer.
After getting his coffee, Pinkel would not let his official interview begin before getting caught up on the pro sports teams in Ohio, relishing in the success of the Cleveland Cavaliers and locked into the Cleveland Indians baseball playoff run.
"I came into Cleveland last spring for the playoffs to watch Lebron,'' he said. "We sat just above floor level, right about the 5-yard line. They were great seats."
When told he sounded just like a typical football coach -- "you really mean about the free throw line" -- Pinkel had the last word.
"That's right, but actually my description is a bit more specific."
Pinkel then marveled at how LeBron James played in the 2015 championship series and rallied the Cavaliers to a NBA title in 2016. He then spoke of his late brother, Greg, and how he first came to know of the future NBA superstar.
"When I was head coach at Toledo, Greg would always call me up,'' Pinkel said. "He was always out looking at players -- football, basketball, all of it. He would call me up about this kid, that kid, all these guys who probably never panned out.
"Once he called me during the summer and said, 'I just saw this eighth-grader playing basketball.' So I'm barely holding the phone and rolling my eyes and saying, 'OK, what's the deal. What's his name.' He said, 'LeBron James. And he's going to be better than Michael Jordan.' So, through my brother, I have been a big LeBron James fan forever. My brother got it right on that one.''
Pinkel then spent some time talking about the world of college football through the eyes of a now retired football coach.
Kent State alum Gary Pinkel coached at Toledo and Missouri and is a member of the Mid-American Conference Hall of Fame. (Missouri athletics photo)
PD: What is it like now being retired?
Pinkel: "I have found out that people have a lot more opinions than I ever thought. It's interesting going to games now. I went to my first tailgate, ever, in my life. To think all those people are out there every week, partying, when my life was on the line inside that stadium was a hit by itself. I started playing football when I was eight or nine, in pads, so for 55 straight years. So this has been an extraordinary year for me in many, many ways.
"All the TVs, the phones, evaluations and opinions. The instant analysis. All my friends, I listen to them now, and I never used to do that. After my first year as head coach at Toledo, I never read the sports pages and never listened to the radio. It was the smartest thing I ever did. But it's amazing everybody's opinions on everything. I'm thinking, all these guys, were they saying all these bad things about me too.
"You did not realize all the conversation out there, all the time, that was going on; good and bad. I never looked at it or listened to it, and thank heaven I didn't."
PD: How do you think these mega-conferences have played out; the Big Ten, the SEC, the ACC and so forth. Let's face it, this was done for football.
Pinkel: "I would suggest that college football is more popular than it has ever been, in the history of college football. Someone told me, think I heard it on the radio, the (TV) ratings for college football is even ahead of professional football. There is this remarkable enthusiasm for football, to see how huge it is in our society. It is really cool.
"But I think if we could do it all over again (mega conferences) we'd get four 16-team leagues and they would be geographical. and do it that way."
PD: What do you think of the Playoff system?
Pinkel: "I think we are getting the best teams now in the playoffs. I like the idea of the human element (in the selection process). The goal is to get the best four teams in at the end. I think we're pretty close to doing it, so I feel good about that.
I think for now (four teams) it is really good. You have to ask yourself, right now football is as popular as it has ever been. You better watch yourself if you want to start changing a bunch of things. You have to ask yourself, why?
"I think you always want to try to make yourself better. But you don't want to mess with the bowl system.
PD: But the bowl system is a waste of time other than being a string of holiday infomercials.
Pinkel: "It's not a waste of time if you are coaching, or playing. Most people can't get there."
PD: You're wrong. If a team is 6-6 they are in a bowl game. What's special about that?
Pinkel: "Well, I don't think you should ever be in a bowl game at 5-7, and last year there was some of that. The number of bowls, that is certainly a discussion to be had. But the point is the reward.
PD: The NCAA seems to let football go its own way a bit, with the ability to shuffle scholarships around; redshirts, gray shirts, blue shirts and what have you. The fifth-year transfer rule can basically be a free semester for football when it is abused. Is all of this good for the game?
No other sport on campus can you do that. The ability is there for a fifth-year transfer (in football) to arrive in August, play through December, then bolt for the NFL combine without effectively taking a class.
Pinkel: "I don't know. I'd like to see some analysis on that. But those guys already have a degree. They don't have a masters, but they do have a degree, and should be working towards a masters. The point is, you have a degree.''
Missouri head coach Gary Pinkel, finished with a career record of 191-110-3 as a head coach after 25 years. (Missouri athletics photo).
PD: Is there a ceiling to how good a Conference-USA, MAC, Sunbelt type team can be? And if so, how high is it. Can these leagues produce a consistent Top 25 program?
Pinkel: "Ahhh, I don't know about consistent. I think it is difficult. You are going to have years when you have an outstanding team in the league. The MAC is historic for its ability to play and beat high-level competition. As a former player and coach, I'm proud of that. It's awesome. I have great pride in that and great respect for the teams that do it.
"But I think it is very difficult to have a consistent Top 25 program. I think one reason is because of money, and I think coaching consistency is big. I coached at Toledo for 10 years, and you just don't see that very much at that level, particularly now. It's hard to have a coach stay at one place in the MAC for example for a long period of time. To have that consistency, like Herb (Deromedi) at Central Michigan (16 years), that just doesn't happen any more."
PD: These (mega conferences) seem to be producing a pretty distinct top and bottom, not really parity, in Division I football, both between the Power Five conferences and the next group of conferences, and also within the Power Five conferences. Is this good for the game?
Pinkel: "I think the Power Five is good because ... what the Power Five allows you to do is operate on a different level, financially. The budgets are different. Instead of having others (teams/leagues) that can't afford it trying to do things the Power Five can do, this allows all teams to be as good as they can be at their highest level. Be as good as you can be in the MAC, in the Sun Belt and so on.
"I really believe the Power Five allows that group of teams around the country, at the end of the day, to go after a national championship. It's apples against apples. I think that's what we've tried to do."
PD: Let's talk about coaching. More coaches are getting fired in the midst of the season, is this good. You made your own decision, which is rare.
Pinkel: "Health-wise, I did. That's what decided it for me. I think it is problematic. I don't think it is good. I think some people like Les (Miles, LSU) won the SEC championship, a couple of them, he won the national championship, you would think they would let him finish. The problem is, if you know you are going to be going out there looking for people and you know you are going to do it, you want to do it as fast as you can.
"You want the new staff that is going to get in there to be rolling by December 1. I think they just kind of said they want to be up front and honest about it. We don't want him back. Do I think that's right? No. But I think that's their reasoning.
What's happening now is, coaches are making so much money now. I call it the Nick Saban rule, in our league.
"He's winning at such a high level, consistently, 10 wins a year for such a long period of time. The point is, if you can't do what he's doing, we're going to get somebody else. You got to watch what you wish for, too. History says that.
The same thing at LSU. (They're thinking) We got just as good of players as anybody in the country. Why can't we be doing what Saban's doing at Alabama. He's set a bar, a standard for programs that should be parallel to (Alabama), which is an element of the problem, without question."
PD: Did you ever call your boy and say, "Nick, you're killing us."
Pinkel: (Laughing) "He's done a good job, have great respect for him. Can't fault him for setting the bar high. It's kind of funny. When we were graduate assistants at Kent, we had to watch training table, and we were talking about getting into college football coaching. He was a year older than me, so he shared some things he had talked to other people about.
"I just remember walking out to the car that day, and we looked at each other and said; 'that would be pretty cool if we could do it.' Image that. coaching football. It's kind of interesting to see how it has turned out here at the end."
PD: What is it about the state of Ohio and college football coaches. There are a bunch of them all around the country. Is it in the water?
Pinkel: "It is pretty cool. But I don't even know why. There's a bunch of guys coaching, that's for sure. There are a bunch, historically. I guess the football Hall of Fame, it was put there a long time ago and must be sending out some vibes to the whole state. It is neat to be on the list."
PD: Do you see yourself back into the game, college or pro.
Pinkel: "No. I really feel good. A year ago, last March, when I was diagnosed with lymphoma, and started taking treatments, I said I'm going to do this. Hopefully I can manage this, because it is never really cured. And I'm feeling fine.
Then I'm sitting there in August, out with the team grinding like we do, and I started thinking; am I going to wait until I get really sick, then need more treatments, and force me to retire?
"It just became real important to me, priority-wise, to spend the rest of my healthy time the right way. To me, the right way was to see my grand kids and spend my time with family. Ultimately, I made the right decision.
I feel really, really good that I did that. I still work for the university, fund raising and public relations. Ultimately it was that, and to de-stress my life.
"You also look back at it, and you keep thinking, the grind and the adjustment, I can't believe I did that for 15 years here, 10 at Toledo, the hours that I worked. I met with all my kids recently, and my eight grand kids, and I came to the realization I was never home.
I mean, I was rarely ever home. I mean, I have great kids, great family, my ex-wife did an amazing job. But honestly, I wasn't home that much. I was gone all of the time. I talked to my kids about it, and they didn't want me to feel bad about it. They told me, 'we reaped a lot of benefits from you. You always came home when you could.' ''
PD: Looking back, was that kind of damning with faint praise, for you?
Pinkel: "Yeah, a bit. There are 52 weeks in the year, you figure I worked every weekend -- one or both days -- 42 weeks out of the year. Add it up. That's a lot of days in our business. One reason I was able to keep a lot of assistants is because I adjusted our schedule so we could get home by 7 p.m. in the evening so they could put their kids to bed.
"But there were times when I would get home Sunday nights at 11, Monday nights at 11, Tuesday nights at 11, Wednesday nights at 7, Thursday nights 6 or 7, for months. You hardly get to see your kids at all. Then it's recruiting all the time until the middle of February.
"Listen, I loved what I did. I'm one of the most fortunate guys in the world. I was a head coach for 25 years. The average Division I coach is for 6.2. and I did it for 25. So that's a grind.
"At the end of the day it was the best thing for me, health wise (to retire), and it was the best thing for me, family-wise, and I was going to put those interests on top of coaching.
PD: Last one. How do you get Kent State football rolling again?
Pinkel: "They have been good in other sports, but they (football) have been snakebit for a bit of time. As much as you can, match the resources for the coach who is there, comparable to everybody else in the league. I think that's what you have to do. If I was healthy, I'd come back. But it's all a little different now."