Cleveland sports fans wonder about the differences between Hue Jackson and Mike Pettine and why the outcome of Browns' games seems so predictable.

Cleveland.com columnists Doug Lesmerises and Bud Shaw put the Indians and Browns under the microscope and discuss the biggest differences between the two franchises as part of the video debate series, Prepare for List Off. Watch video

CLEVELAND, Ohio -  The Indians have long had reason to feel there's a double standard in town when it comes to fan interest.

They've had success, going to two World Series in the 1990s. Granted, that was a long time ago.

But they've had a lot more to cheer about recently than have the Browns, who nevertheless earn headlines and hours of sports talk radio devoted to their consistent struggles.

 That could be changing now with the Indians in the ALCS and the Browns off to a 0-6 start for the first time since their expansion days.

So what's the difference between the Indians and Browns?

Cleveland.com columnist Doug Lesmerises says for one thing the Indians have found their future.

I happen to think the biggest difference is continuity, even though some Indians fans have railed against the Dolans' version of stability. Critics used to claim it was more of the same old same old.

This is the latest discussion in Prepare for List Off, our video debate series in which I make salient points and offer laser-like insight while Doug tries to catch up.

Kind of like the Browns trying to catch up to the Indians and Cavs.

Anyway, hear us out and come back and tell us who got closer to capturing the differences between the Tribe and Browns.

Fifteen of the Browns' 18 rookies were active on Sunday.

CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Browns are trying to identify the core of the team this season. That will mean the development of young players, including the 18 rookies on the roster.

Fifteen of them were active for Sunday's 28-26 loss to the Titans.

How did they do? Check out the rookie tracker below, which explains how each rookie - and first-year player - performed on Sunday.

ROOKIES

Dominique Alexander, LB: Had 21 snaps on special teams and had one assisted tackle.

Briean Boddy-Calhoun, DB: Started and played 61 snaps on defense, finishing with seven tackles. He also had 15 snaps on special teams.

Shon Coleman, OL: Had four snaps on offense, mostly as an extra lineman. They were his first plays of the season.

Spencer Drango, OL: Had four snaps on special teams.

Rashard Higgins, WR: Caught the only pass thrown to him, for 14 yards, in seven snaps on offense. Also had six snaps on special teams.

Kevin Hogan, QB: Was active but did not play.

Tyrone Holmes, DE: Had one tackle in 15 snaps on defense. Also had four snaps on special teams.

Tracy Howard, CB: Had three tackles in 38 snaps on defense and one tackle in 20 snaps on special teams.

Cody Kessler, QB: Started and was 26-of-41 passing for 336 yards and two touchdowns for a 105.3 quarterback rating. He was sacked six times.

Derrick Kindred, SS: Had 21 snaps on defense and 22 on special teams and did not have a tackle.

Ricardo Louis, WR: Had five catches in nine targets for 65 yards in 43 snaps on offense. He also had 10 snaps on special teams.

Carl Nassib, DE: Had 26 snaps on defense and recorded one quarterback hit. He also had seven snaps on special teams.

Emmanuel Ogbah, LB: Started and had three tackles and his first career sack in 48 snaps on defense. He also had 10 snaps on special teams.

Jordan Payton, WR: Had four snaps on offense, but didn't have a catch in two targets.

Joe Schobert, LB: Started but did not have a tackle in 31 snaps on defense. He had one tackle in 21 snaps on special teams.

INACTIVE ROOKIES

Corey Coleman, WR

Seth DeValve, TE 

Dan Vitale, FB

With four days left to vote in the championship round of cleveland.com's Best Marching Band contest, Cuyahoga Falls has a good lead on Berea-Midpark.

CLEVELAND, Ohio - We're well into the final round of cleveland.com's Best High School Marching Band competition and the Marching Tigers of Cuyahoga Falls remain in the lead over Berea-Midpark.

Nearly 40,000 votes have been cast as of Monday at 10 a.m.

Cuyahoga Falls holds a 56 percent margin over Berea-Midpark, but with four days left in the voting period it's still anyone's race.

Voting is open until Friday, Oct. 21 at 7 a.m. We encourage you to vote hourly for the band you want to win the title.

Cuyahoga Falls and Berea-Midpark are the last two bands standing in a contest which began more than six weeks ago with nearly 80 local marching bands nominated by our readers.

Online voting began with 32 nominated schools, which were brought down to eight quarterfinalists; four semifinalists; and finally, the two moving forward to this week's championship round.

As in past rounds, no votes are carried over. More than 105,000 votes were cast in the semifinal round.

Readers can vote every hour, through Friday, Oct. 21 at 7 a.m.

Votes must come from the United States. When casting your vote, be sure to complete the captcha step that appears after you click "vote."

Check cleveland.com/best for continuing coverage of the contest.

Here are my thoughts wrapping up the Browns' trip to Nashville.

NASHVILLE, Tennessee -- Here are some final thoughts from the Browns' loss to the Titans on Sunday as I travel back to Cleveland on Monday morning.

* Running back Duke Johnson echoed much of what players said on Sunday about the Browns coming back in the game and about the team's attitude in the face of 0-6.

"When your head coach won't quit, your team can't quit," he said. "That is what type of coach we have. He is going to fight until the end. He always believes in us. We just try to go out and produce."

Still, 0-6 is 0-6. This season is quickly sliding towards the point of self preservation -- where the only thing guys are playing for is their jobs. It feels like December already. The problem is, it's the middle of October.

* No one not named Hue Jackson could have reasonably expected Cody Kessler to play the way he has in his four starts following an uninspiring preseason. It turns out, it's really hard to judge a guy when he's playing with players who won't even be on the roster once the season starts.

He's been composed. He's been tough. He's moved the team. I was certainly wrong about him to this point. If you're looking for reasons to watch, seeing how he develops is a big one.

* That being said, let's pump the brakes on Kessler as "the answer" at quarterback. We tend to do this around here: a guy plays an admirable game, takes a beating and keeps getting up and, all of a sudden, the Browns found their answer.

It's also unfair to just write Kessler off because he doesn't fit the typical mold of a longterm answer at the position. Hue Jackson built a strong offense around Andy Dalton in Cincinnati, a quarterback that, in time, thrived in a system that played to his strengths.

I guess what I'm saying is let's just see what happens over the season's final ten games. There's no rush to pass final judgment on Kessler either way at this point.

* I entirely understand Jackson's decision to go for two points down nine with a shade over two minutes left. It comes down to the idea that, if you fail, you'd rather know you failed with two minutes left than two seconds left. You are better able to plan around that failure to convert.

It's not a fun take, but I also understand the other way of thinking -- the psychology of a team being within eight points and feeling like they are one possession away from a tie. I get the side that says there's more pressure on a defense in an eight-point game than a nine-point game -- that being up nine allows a defense to play softer.

The thing is, in the end, whether you go for two with two minutes or two seconds, it's about execution. The Browns didn't execute the play. Game over.

* I'm curious to see what the Browns do at center -- whether they stick by Cameron Erving or whether they make a move. The obvious change would be to put left guard John Greco back at center and put recently signed Jonathan Cooper at guard. All this shuffling along the line, though, is killing what was already a question mark coming into the season.

* About that other first round pick from 2015, though -- it's very good for the future of this team that Danny Shelton is making an impact. When you watch this defense, you notice No. 55. He had his first career sack on Sunday and was a key piece to limiting the damage done by Titans running back DeMarco Murray. Check out this tweet from Pro Football Focus:

Browns NT Danny Shelton leads the NFL in run stop percentage at 15.8 percent and has the most run stops (23). pic.twitter.com/COxPLb4C14

-- Pro Football Focus (@PFF) October 17, 2016

* Somewhere, buried deep in my soul, I'm considering picking the Browns on Sunday in Cincinnati. I don't think I'll have the guts to do it. Frankly, even though the Bengals are 2-4, it's misleading. They've lost to the Steelers, Broncos, Cowboys and Patriots. They're a more talented team, top to bottom, than the Browns.

Still, I keep thinking about what it would mean to Jackson to win that game. I keep thinking about how much his players talk about fighting for him. I can't help but think he'll have something dialed up for them.

We'll see...

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Barrett shares the honor with Northwestern running back Justin Jackson.

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Give Ohio State quarterback J.T. Barrett another Big Ten weekly honor.

Barrett was named the conference Co-Offensive Player of the Week on Monday after accounting for 318 yards of total offense and three touchdowns in a 30-23 overtime win at Wisconsin on Saturday night. He shares the honor with Northwestern running back Justin Jackson.

Barrett also set a new Ohio State career record for touchdowns responsible for, passing former record-holder Braxton Miller.

He's our leader, captain & quarterback. He's also the @bigten Co-Offensive Player of the Week.

Congrats JT!

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-- Ohio State Football (@OhioStateFB) October 17, 2016

This is the second time this season that Barrett has been named Offensive Player of the Week, and the sixth time in his career. The last Buckeye to win the honor was Noah Brown after the win at Oklahoma.

Wisconsin linebacker Jack Cichy, who had 15 tackles against the Buckeyes, was named Big Ten Defensive Player of the Week, while Northwestern return man and receiver Solomon Gault was Special Teams Player of the Week.

Check out a preview of the Division I boys and girls state golf tournaments.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Division I boys and girls state golf tournaments will begin on Friday. Here is a look at the team and individual qualifiers.

Take a look back how the area’s qualifiers fared in the Division II and III boys and girls Division II tournaments over the weekend.

DIVISION I

BOYS

What, when, where: Division I state tournament, Oct. 21-22. Play begins at 9 a.m. The boys will play at on par-72 at The Ohio State University Scarlet Course, 3605 Tremont Road, Columbus. Call 614-514-4653.

Local team qualifiers: Green (Miles Demuesy, Maxwell Moldovan, Cade Breitenstine, Jordan Conjerti, Dan Distelhorst); Hudson (Will Kurtz, Dave Sexton, Nolan Laughlin, Johnny Merrill, Jake Marous) and Walsh Jesuit (Zak Supelak, Conner Evans, Colton Levey, John Burns, Brennan Komos).

Local individual qualifiers: Nolan Adams, Lake Catholic; Michael McCaffrey, St. Ignatius; and Josh Hunter, University School.

See the full list of qualifiers

What to look for: Green returns to the state tournament for its third appearance since its last in 2001. The Bulldogs won the Northeast District with 296 points ahead of Walsh Jesuit at 301, and, Hudson and Boardman tied at 308. Hudson will make its 17^th tournament appearance as Walsh Jesuit eyes its third state title marking its 13^th tournament bid. Hunter, McCaffrey and Adams are all making their first appearance.

GIRLS

What, when, where: Division I state tournament, Oct. 21-22. Play begins at 9 a.m. The girls will play on par-70 at The Ohio State University Gray Course, 3605 Tremont Road, Columbus. Call 614-514-4653.

Local team qualifiers: Kent Roosevelt (Kory Nielsen, Chloe Wise, Grace Thompson, Hannah Thomas, Lauren Garner); Highland (Madison Butler, Alicia Porvasnik, Christina Williams, Ruby Swan, Tiffany So) and Solon (Jennifer Wang, Annie Liu, Grace Gao, Catherine Wang, Sandy Deng).

Local individual qualifiers: Abbie Pearce, Green; Alex Stahler, Hathaway Brown; Jenn David, Hudson.

See the full list of qualifiers

What to look for: Kent Roosevelt, Highland and Solon are all looking for their first state title. Highland has the most state appearances with six going into Friday’s tournament followed by Kent Roosevelt with two and Solon with one. Jackson won the Northeast District title (314) ahead of Roosevelt (316), Highland (317), GlenOak (320) and Solon (328). Pearce will make her first individual trip to Columbus after leading Green to a state runner-up finish last season. Stahler and David will make their first state tournament appearance.

Cleveland Browns had much bigger problems than Hue Jackson deciding to go for two points with 2:07 left in game.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Scribbles in my Cleveland Browns notebook after their 28-26 loss to the Tennessee Titans on Sunday in Nashville, Tenn.:

1. I'm not going to spend a lot of time on Hue Jackson's decision to go for the two-point conversion with 2:07 left in the game. I would have kicked the extra point, cutting the Tennessee lead to 28-20. Then I would have hoped to score another TD, and then go the two-point conversion.

2. That said, something very important happened in the loss. The 0-6 Browns returned to playing hard and looking reasonably prepared. That was the not the case in the 33-13 loss to the New England Patriots in the prior game. This time, they stayed close with a bunch of rookies and guys claimed off the waiver wire. Because of his Ohio State Buckeye background, Terrelle Pryor is a big name to those of us in Ohio. But in the NFL, he was just another failed quarterback. He was cut by several teams as he tried to become a wide receiver.

3. I think you understand my point. The talent level is low. But the energy level stayed high. Cody Kessler has already shown why Hue Jackson said "trust me" when the Browns picked him in the third round. Not that he's the long-term answer at QB. But he is a viable NFL quarterback. He is an accurate passer. He's prepared and tough. You can see how his teammates respect him.

4. On the season, Kessler has completed 66 percent of his passes, four TDs compared to one interception. He has lost lost one fumble. So that's two turnovers in 14 quarters behind a very suspect offensive line. The quarterback rating is 93.8. Other than a lack of arm strength, there is a lot to like about Kessler.

5. In the Tennessee game, Kessler was sacked six times. He was hit six more times after he threw a pass -- that means, knocked to the ground. He took a beating, yet he nearly led them back to a victory. I never would have expected Kessler to play this well based on what we saw in the preseason and training camp. He is growing on the job.

6. I was not in Tennessee, because I'm covering the Cleveland Indians this week. So I watched the game on TV. Sometimes, I feel as if I'm picking on Cameron Erving. I just know I don't notice the center when someone else is playing the position for the Browns. That's because there are no problems at center. A few times, Erving was overpowered. I'd love to see how the Browns grade this guy. I bet it's different than what they say about the 2015 first-round pick in public.

7. To be fair to Erving, he missed three games with a bruised lung. That's a significant injury. He was clearly huffing and puffing near the end of the game. That was obvious on TV closeups of the huddle. Perhaps that had something to do with his problems. But it also seems he had the same issues before the injury.

8. I received a lot of emails from fans about how the Browns secondary was terrible. I agree. It was terrible. They started two cornerbacks who were cast off by other teams. Jamar Taylor was dumped by Miami for a low-round draft pick. Briean Boddy-Calhoun was claimed on waivers from Jacksonville. Tramon Williams is showing his age -- 33. Joe Haden (groin injury) was out again. It's a mess.

9. Making it worse, Jordan Poyer is the Browns best cover man as a safety. He left the game in the middle of the second quarter with a lacerated kidney. He could be out for the year. Rookie Derrick Kindred is like Ibraheim Campbell. Both young players are strong safeties, best against the run. Kindred trashed a couple of pass coverages at key parts of the game.

10. Tennessee scored a TD on its first drive. You can play the "What if?" game on that series. Rookie linebacker Joe Schobert dropped an interception during that drive. It was in his hands. He makes the catch ... the Browns get the ball ... you get the point. Of course, good teams makes those plays.

11. Danny Shelton had his first sack of the season. He continues to grade high in his play defending the run. The other first-round pick in 2015 (besides Erving), Shelton is improving and impressing.

12. Ricardo Louis caught five passes, but I had the rookie with two key drops. He needs work and dropping passes was an issue for him in at Auburn. Rashard Higgins caught a pass. Louis played 43 snaps, Higgins played seven. Maybe it's time to look a little more at Higgins.

13. Rookie defensive lineman Tyrone Holmes played 14 snaps. He was flagged for jumping offsides on a play. He then was flagged for "lining up in the neutral zone." Nervous, rookie mistakes.

14. There were some very dumb penalties. Cam Johnson, Chris Kirksey and Erving were flagged for "hands in the face" of an opponent. That's right, three hands to the face penalties. Louis jumped offsides. The Browns had a delay of game. There was an illegal formation ... OUCH!

15. Cody Parkey continues to kick very well since his first game. The Browns thought he could be a viable kicker, not a short-term fix. He did make the 2014 Pro Bowl. He has promise.

16. Pryor caught nine passes. He snared one with the long reach of one hand. At least twice, he fought off two defenders to make catches. He is doing a better job of running routes, then curling back to the quarterback to be available for a pass. His growth is exciting.

17. I am anxious to see how the Browns and Pryor perform when Corey Coleman (broken hand) is finally healthy. Two talented receivers can make life a lot easier for Kessler.

18. And yes, Kessler must keep playing even if Josh McCown finally is healthy. Kessler has earned it.

19. Emmanuel Ogbah had a sack, the first of his career. The second-round pick is still trying to understand how to use his athleticism and speed in the NFL games.

20. Jackson has to get the running game back on track. Injuries to the offensive line are part of the reason it has struggled the last two weeks. But that's not the only reason Isaiah Crowell had only 16 yards in nine carries. There are other problems, and the coaching staff has to figure that out.

The Browns trailed by 15 points with about six minutes remaining in the fourth quarter before their rally began.

CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Cleveland Browns remain the only winless team in the NFL after a 28-26 loss against the Tennessee Titans, a game where the final score is a bit deceiving.

The Browns trailed by 15 points with about six minutes remaining in the fourth quarter before their rally began. It featured a second Terrelle Pryor touchdown catch, a questionable two-point conversion attempt, a recovered onside kick and another late touchdown before they ran out of time -- and luck.

Here is a gathering of thoughts on the Browns' loss from writers and analysts:

CBS Sports grades each Week 6 game. The Browns have been doing well despite having the NFL's worst record. This week, the Browns receive a "B-" for their showing against the three-win Titans.

"When you're starting a rookie quarterback, you don't generally want to ask him to throw 41 passes in a game, but that's what the Browns did in Tennessee, and somehow, it almost worked. Cody Kessler actually looked decent in this game (336 yards, two touchdowns), leading the Browns to points on their first two offensive drives.

The problem for Kessler is that he got no help from a Browns run game that sputtered to just 40 yards total. The Browns are now 1-17 since 2000 when they rush for 40 or fewer yards. The only good news out of this game for Cleveland is that the Kessler-to-Terrelle Pryor connection might actually be a thing. Pryor caught nine passes for 75 yards and two touchdowns in this game. Other than that, Browns fans don't have much to cheer about. The team is 0-6 for the first time since Cleveland's expansion season in 1999."

The crew from Around the League has 39 takeaways from Week 6, including a reason to praise one of Cleveland's young defensive players.

"There was a bright side for the Browns defensively. Former first-round pick Danny Shelton, who hasn't made a noticeable impact in a season and a half (nose tackle isn't a glamorous position), had his best game of his career. The block-eating defender was there to stop Murray on runs of three yards or fewer three times in the first half, and recorded his first career sack, powering past center Ben Jones to drop Mariota for a loss of 10. Cleveland's emphasis on stopping the run helped Shelton shine, but the focus on Murray also opened up massive running lanes for Mariota on the read option, resulting a 64-yard day for him."

Shelton wasn't the only youngster to shine on Sunday. QB-turned-WR Terrelle Pryor was the Browns' highest-graded offensive player, according to Pro Football Focus.

"Once again, Terrelle Pryor came up big as his conversion to wide receiver continues to be a huge success. He caught a couple of touchdowns and made his weekly spectacular grab, going over the top of Damien Stafford for a fourth-down conversion. On the downside, the line struggled to get anything going in the run game, with Cameron Erving (37.0) a particular disappointment as the team struggled to 2.7 yards per carry."

The site also has a blurb on Kessler, who compiled a bunch of his numbers late in the game, after the Browns went down by 15 points.

"A string of three-and-outs indicated that this was an offense out of sync, but there were a number of drives which highlighted the progress of Kessler. He certainly displayed a more accurate arm than his stat line shows, though the concern remains regarding throws he drives outside the numbers. On more than one occasion, a lack of zip on the ball allowed defensive backs to tighten things up. There's not much he can do about it in the upcoming week, but Kessler will hopefully develop more trust in the Browns' pass protection; he invited pressure and cost his lineman leverage on multiple occasions against the Titans."

Monday Morning Quarterback's Peter King was also impressed with Shelton, highlighting the Browns' bulky defensive tackle as one of his "Unsung Guys of the Week."

"The second-year man is quickly becoming one of the league's better run defenders. Shelton entered Week 6 leading the league with 23 run stops and added another five against the Titans. His PFF run-defense grade was the highest of the week for any interior defensive lineman."

CBS Sports' Pete Prisco weighs in on the topic many were discussing following the most recent loss: head coach Hue Jackson's late-game decision-making.

"When the Browns scored with 2:10 left in the game against Tennessee to cut the lead to nine, why did coach Hue Jackson go for two? He should have kicked to make it an eight-point game, rather than going for two. When he went for two, and didn't make it, it left it a nine-point game.

That meant it was basically out of reach.

So even after the Browns got the onside kick, and went down and scored, they had no chance. These coaches need to think. Jackson is a good coach. His undermanned team fights every week, but like so many coaches he failed the situational test on Sunday."

SI.com's Greg Bedard also points to Jackson's two-point conversion attempt, believing it was the worst decision of any coach during Week 6. 

"Browns coach Hue Jackson went against the rule that you don't go for two when you're trailing until you have to when he passed up the extra point with Cleveland trailing the Titans 28-19 with 2:07 left. The Browns didn't get the conversion and were basically done at that point. It would have been nice to recover the onside kick (they did) and score (they did) and then go for the tie (oops). Wonder what Jackson's Moneyball bosses will have to say about that."

Don Banks, writing for NFL.com, believes there are bright spots in Cleveland's 28-26 loss even though the game seemed more lopsided than the final score. 

"Unlike the Browns, of course, who remain the league's lone winless team, at 0-6, with yet another close-but-no-cigar defeat. But there have been a few silver linings for Cleveland this season, and one of them is the play of rookie quarterback Cody Kessler. The USC product returned from a chest/ribs injury last week against New England to give the Browns a chance against the Titans, throwing for 336 yards, with two touchdowns.

Raise your hand if you thought Kessler was going to be the Pac-12 quarterback and draft pick who would have success this season, not the Rams' Jared Goff?"

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Nothing personal To Anymore but this Browns Game is Hard To watch!! Go Browns.

-- Bernie Kosar (@BernieKosarQB) October 16, 2016

Eager to hear why Hue went for 2 first. Total, complete blunder.

-- Rich Eisen (@richeisen) October 16, 2016

Thank God Hue Jackson inexcusably went for two after that TD.

-- Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) October 16, 2016

A Shurmurian two-point try there by the Browns down 9. Inexcusable.

-- Zac Jackson (@AkronJackson) October 16, 2016

I'm starting a grass roots campaign.. to make sure everyone knows how good Terrelle Pryor is at football. America needs good news

-- trey wingo (@wingoz) October 17, 2016

Ohio State is back on the road on Saturday night against the Nittany Lions.

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State earned a big win on the road last Saturday night. The Buckeyes will aim for another this week when they travel to Penn State for a prime time kick at Beaver Stadium.

Urban Meyer will recap the win at Wisconsin, and preview Saturday's game against the Nittany Lions during his news conference on Monday.

Updates from Meyer will appear in the comments section below. He's expected at the podium around 11:45 a.m.

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An activist for indigenous cultures has asked an Ontario court to block the Cleveland Indians from using their team name and logo on uniforms in today's playoff game in Toronto against the Blue Jays.

CLEVELAND, Ohio - An activist for indigenous cultures has asked an Ontario court to block the Cleveland Indians from using their team name and logo on uniforms in today's playoff game in Toronto against the Blue Jays. 

Douglas Cardinal, a Canadian architect who designed the Smithsonian's National Museum of the American Indian, is a member of the Blackfoot tribe. His request will be heard by the Superior Court of Justice in Toronto this afternoon. 

Cardinal argues that the team name and mascot logo of Chief Wahoo are offensive and discriminatory. He seeks an injunction barring their use.

The team responded with a short statement: "The Indians are focused on competing in the post season. We will not comment any further on matters that distract from our pursuit on the field."

The Indians will play the Blue Jays in Game 3 of the American League Championship Series beginning at 8:08 p.m. in the Rogers Centre in Toronto. The Indians lead the series 2-0. 

Cardinal's attorney, Michael Swinwood, acknowledged that the high attention on the game provides a timely microphone for bringing attention to the issue. But for Cardinal, who has been awarded the Order of Canada by Queen Elizabeth II, the plight of indigenous people is a lifetime cause.

"From Douglas Cardinal's point of view it's about time to take the microphone and speak up," Swinwood said. "The thing is we need to begin having a more serious discussion about the disconnect between the dominate society and the indigenous people."

Cardinal's action also names Major League Baseball and Rogers Communications, which owns the Blue Jays and the Rogers Centre and will broadcast the game in Canada.

For years American Indians have protested the Chief Wahoo logo, saying that the logo is demeaning and that people are not mascots.

Chief Wahoo protesters more reliable -- and hardy -- than Cleveland Indians fans

Some Cleveland fans have pushed back, saying that the cartoon logo is a tradition. Last spring a Brunswick city councilman and longtime fan suggested fans should vote with their wallets and buy Chief Wahoo gear.

Fans of Cleveland's Indians name say it was chosen to honor Louis Sockalexis, a Penobscot Indian who played for the team in the early 20th century and may have been the first American Indian in the major leagues. The team's official history seems to discredit that legend, though. It says a group of sportswriters chose the team name, tapping into the franchise's early years.

Swinwood said he expects a decision today in Superior Court. The hope is an injunction barring use of the name and logo in the province of Ontario.

That is a decision, he said, that the Indians could make themselves, too, he noted. One of Cleveland's road uniforms does not bear the team name or logo.

Swinwood plans to show that uniform in court.

Blue Jays broadcaster Jerry Horwath several years ago stopped using the Indians name during his radio calls of games against Cleveland. He also dropped use of the name "Braves" and references such as a "pow wow on the mound" which he also sees as demeaning.

In an interview earlier this month, Horwath said he made the decision after the 1992 series, when the Blue Jays won their first World Series against Atlanta. 

Here's where you can catch Cleveland vs. Toronto in Game 3 of the ALCS on Monday.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Indians play Game 3 of the 2016 American League Championship Series today on the road against the Toronto Blue Jays. Here's how to watch, listen and stream the action online.

What: Cleveland Indians (5-0) vs. Toronto Blue Jays (4-2).
Where: Rogers Centre.
When: 8 p.m.
TV: TBS.
Radio: WTAM, 1100 AM; WMMS 100.7 FM.
Online: MLB.TV (premium subscription); WatchTBS. 

Toronto notable: The Blue Jays are hitting .159 with 25 strikeouts in 63 at-bats in the ALCS. 

Cleveland notable: The Indians scored just two runs against Toronto starter Marcus Stroman in the regular season. Stroman struck out 15 batters in 14 innings.

Catch the coverage from before the game; join in the live chat and stick around for full postgame coverage. For all Indians information, be sure to check out cleveland.com/tribe.

Five things to know from Urban Meyer's news conference on Monday previewing Ohio State's road game at Penn State:

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Five things to know from Urban Meyer's news conference on Monday previewing Ohio State's road game at Penn State: 

1. Ohio State didn't get in until 5:00 a.m. on Sunday morning, so Meyer gave them the day off. He didn't announce champions in the news conference because Meyer is going to announce them later during a team meeting. 

2. A reporter asked Meyer if he's concerned about the passing game and said it looked like it had "square wheels" at times. Meyer said he was pleased with how the team made plays in the second half, but admitted the passing game is still a work in progress. At the end he said, "I take offense to the square wheels comment, guys work really hard around here." 

3. The 2014 Penn State game, the one Ohio State won in overtime, was kind of a turning point in J.T. Barrett's career. He threw a pick-six, he had a sprained MCL and the Buckeyes were on the way to a loss, but Barrett put the Buckeyes on his back and helped them escape from the win. 

Meyer said Barrett had an "elite performance" against Wisconsin this past Saturday and played on the same level as that 2014 Penn State game. 

4. Meyer said it broke his heart that he caused a 15-yard penalty in the Wisconsin game for a sideline infraction, but he added Monday that it should have been a penalty. "That's the rule ... Well change the damn rule." 

Meyer got hit in the face by a referee because he was standing in a place he wasn't supposed to be standing, perhaps too close to the field. 

5. Penn State is having a "white out" on Saturday, and Meyer quipped: "I wish they would save the white outs for other games."

Watch video of what Meyer said about the call against him for sideline interference against Wisconsin. Watch video

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Urban Meyer disagreed with the 15-yard penalty called on him against Wisconsin after he was hit in the face by an official's arm.

Meyer said Monday that he confirmed with the head of Big Ten officiating that it should not have been a penalty. (Watch what Meyer had to say in the video above.)

Meyer he said he sent a text to Bill Carollo, the conference's top official, after the penalty in the first quarter that turned a second-and-12 for Ohio State into as second-and-27.

"I don't know if I'm allowed to say this, but I don't care," Meyer said before explaining his communication with Carollo. "It should not have been a penalty.

"It was my fault, but it should not have been a penalty. ... Some will say, 'That's just the rule.' Well, get rid of the damn rule.'"

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-- Deadspin (@Deadspin) October 16, 2016

The Browns are 0-6, but a Twitter user asks if this team is better than the 2015 version that went 3-13. Watch video

CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Browns fell to 0-6 Sunday with a 28-26 road loss to the Tennessee Titans, but many fans are feeling like there are rays of hope even as the losses pile up.

How do you feel? Share your thoughts in the comments below.

In the video above, cleveland.com Browns reporters Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe discuss whether this year's team has fans thinking positively more than last year's 3-13 squad.

To some, Francona's bullpen usage is a form of rebellion against baseball's status quo. To the Indians, it's mere logic. Watch video

TORONTO -- It's easy to tell that Andrew Miller has grown tired of hearing the question.

The numbers and statistics have planted the idea in our brains. Ever since Tony La Russa first toiled with bullpen specialization nearly 30 years ago, we accepted that the best reliever took the hill at the end of the game, his immediate inferior pitched before him, and so on.

We romanticized the save stat, a rather feeble attempt at measuring how frequently a pitcher escaped harm at the end of a contest. Never mind the fact that a closer earns a tally for locking down a one-run game against the heart of the order and merits the same numerical kudos for sealing a three-run advantage against a trio of meager hitters.

Forget everything you thought you knew about bullpen structure. Relief roles were made to be broken.

When Miller, Terry Francona's favorite 6-foot-7-inch, flame-throwing, slider-slinging, strikeout-amassing toy, receives the inquiry about how he could possibly pitch in the sixth or seventh inning when he's so equipped to handle the ninth, he scoffs. Earth is round, after all. Forward thinking -- or, really, just rational consideration -- is welcome. It's OK to break free from the shackles of baseball tradition.

To some, Francona's bullpen usage -- recently mirrored by the Dodgers' Dave Roberts -- is a form of rebellion against baseball's status quo. To the Indians, it's mere logic.

"I think it's being overplayed," Miller said. "The majority of relievers are ready to pitch from the moment the first pitch is made, until the last out is made. The job of the reliever is, you come in when called upon."

Miller has changed the game for the Tribe

Miller is the Indians' most valuable reliever. He's Francona's most trustworthy and lethal bit of ammunition. Why save him for some impossible-to-project situation in the ninth, if there's a blaze to extinguish in the seventh?

The aim is the same: Thwart the opposition. Preserve the lead. Sometimes the task is taller in an earlier inning than in the game's last gasp.

"This isn't really rocket science, what we're doing," Francona said. "We're not reinventing the wheel, either. I just think it's our responsibility to take what our guys do well and maximize that."

There are three factors that aid Francona's decision to operate in such a fashion.

1. If Miller tackles the sixth and seventh, the Indians still have capable reinforcements available to finish the job. Cody Allen held the opposition to a .177 batting average this season. He has logged five scoreless innings in the playoffs. Bryan Shaw and Dan Otero have been reliable cogs in Francona's bullpen mix as well.

"If [Allen] can't do what he does," Francona said, "we can't do this with Andrew. Or Shaw, or Otero. It still comes down to being able to cover your nine innings.

"It's one thing to stop a rally or put out a fire early in the game. But if you can't hold it, it doesn't really do you any good."

2. Miller's ability might be unrivaled. Baltimore's Zach Britton received plenty of national attention for posting a 0.55 ERA and an unblemished save rate (47-for-47). Miller, frankly, was the more dominating pitcher; he just wasn't pigeonholed into a specific inning.

Miller racked up 123 strikeouts -- and only nine walks -- across 74 1/3 innings. That strikeout-to-walk ratio falls somewhere between Herculean and Kershawian.

This postseason, Miller has tossed 7 2/3 scoreless frames. In his playoff career, he has totaled 16 scoreless innings.

Whether Francona's method of deploying Miller and Roberts' manner of using Kenley Jansen will revolutionize the future bullpen structure in baseball remains to be seen. Few teams possess that level of relief talent.

Postseason formula working wonders

3. Miller already bagged his hefty contract. The Yankees handed the southpaw a four-year, $36 million deal prior to last season.

"I think it's easier when you've got a big contract," Francona said. "I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I'd love to see the way bullpens get rewarded -- in arbitration, things like that -- change a little bit because I think you'd see bullpens used differently."

The Indians are on the hook for every cent of Miller's contract the next two years. It's a bargain, whether he's pitching in the fifth inning or the ninth. Asking if a non-closer is worth $9 million per year is an antiquated inquiry. Phrasing it as "paying perhaps the league's most valuable relief weapon $9 million" is more accurate. And the answer is, unequivocally, yes. Without Miller, the Indians wouldn't be standing two wins away from a World Series trip.

"I think the save stat is what gets you paid in arbitration, gets you paid in free agency in a lot of cases," Miller said. "So players are certainly aware of that and want to take advantage of that. It's just the reality of the system. We all want to be taken care of as well as possible.

I think maybe as relievers get recognized for their work outside of the ninth inning, guys are more flexible. I think we've already gotten there.

"I think we're at the point where you see it, whether it's guys moving around and getting traded or guys with free agency -- people recognize there's value outside of the ninth inning, and you can be recognized for your efforts."

Here's where you can catch Cleveland vs. Toronto in Game 4 of the ALCS on Tuesday.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Indians play Game 4 of the 2016 American League Championship Series today on the road against the Toronto Blue Jays. Here's how to watch, listen and stream the action online.

What: Cleveland Indians (6-0) vs. Toronto Blue Jays (4-3).
Where: Rogers Centre.
When: 4 p.m.
TV: TBS.
Radio: WTAM, 1100 AM; WMMS 100.7 FM.
Online: MLB.TV (premium subscription); WatchTBS. 

Toronto notable: The Blue Jays are hitting .177 with a .483 OPS in 96 ALCS at-bats. 

Cleveland notable: Indians starter Corey Kluber has 136 Major League starts and none of them have come on short rest.

Catch the coverage from before the game; join in the live chat and stick around for full postgame coverage. For all Indians information, be sure to check out cleveland.com/tribe.

The Cleveland Indians found another way to win in Game 3 after Trevor Bauer left the mound bleeding. The Indians don't see obstacles, just challenges.

CLEVELAND, Ohio - The Indians have now beaten the Blue Jays in the most unlikely way possible. That can't be topped, right?

Cody Allen on Trevor Bauer.

"I'm sure if they would've given him the option of chopping his finger or coming out of the game he would've chopped his finger off."

Some media and fans seem more upset with Bauer than his teammates and manager do.

Which means the Indians are either a pretty tight team or they're level-headed enough to distinguish between an accident and a foolish incident.

The definition: if you're repairing a drone you've flown a thousand times and repaired a hundred times before (with no one from the media raising an objection about safety) an injury repairing it for the 101^st time might qualify as an accident.

If you try to catch a speeding drone by the blade like a kung fu master catching a fly by the wing, that seems unnecessarily risky.

* I don't know what all the various hobbies are for Indians players.

But my guess is most faced a greater risk of injury in that walk-off win mosh pit they threw themselves into all season long.

* Is there something in baseball's rule book that required Toronto manager John Gibbons  to come out of the dugout and ask the umps to check on Bauer?

Either the umps couldn't see Bauer bleeding or they didn't consider it an issue. But we're talking blood dripping here.

Either way, you wouldn't want any of those guys working as your cornerman.

* Gibbons had the benefit of TV closeups, of course. So the umps closest to Bauer simply must not have seen it.

If they did and didn't consider it reason to stop the game, the only logical conclusion is they have seen Texas Chain Saw Massacre and think of it as a kid's movie.

* New Orleans head coach Sean Payton would like the NFL to adopt instant replay for pass interference calls.

"It has been [discussed] and for good reason and let's hope that that at some point is [addressed] sooner than later," Payton told the New Orleans Times-Picayune, via ProFootballTalk.com.

"Listen, it's been brought up and discussed by a number of clubs, and I think the Competition Committee needs to spend a lot more time thinking about that specific call is so critical to get right."

Don't worry, purists -- if there are any remaining out there.

If you've watched an NFL game lately, you know instant replay on pass interference calls will still leave plenty of room for human error.

* The Cubs' Ben Zobrist has denied stealing signs in the National League Championship Series against the Los Angeles Dodgers.

That was a topic during the Indians series against Boston.

So if the pattern holds, the next team to fall precipitously behind in the NLCS will claim "circumstances" conspiring against them.

At some point these series require you to outplay the other guy in order to advance.

* Toronto's Jose Bautista's quote following Game 2:

"All you have to do is go look at video and try to count the number of pitches they have thrown over the heart of the plate," Bautista said. "It hasn't been many. They've been able to do that because of the circumstances -- that I'm not trying to talk about because I can't. That is for you guys to do, but you guys don't really want to talk about that either."

I think by "circumstances" he must mean "good control?"

* An inning or two into Game 3 Monday night, "circumstances" was trending on Twitter.

Only two things kept "circumstances" from being the most overused word or phrase of the night:

Headlines and Tweets that gave the Indians bullpen credit for "stopping the bleeding."

And for "stitching together a victory."

Get it?

Count the Jays among those who don't see the humor.

#Circumstances kept Bautista from hitting that 3-1 pitch out.. [?]

-- Jensen Lewis (@JLEWFifty) October 18, 2016

* We have revamped the timetable for when the Browns might be favored against another NFL opponent, from possibly Christmas Eve at home against the Chargers to the Jets game at home on November 6.

Provided the Jets have Ryan Fitzpatrick or Geno Smith at quarterback.

If they go to 73-year-old Joe Namath, all bets are off.

* Fitzpatrick could not possibly stare down Jets' receiver Brandon Marshall any more intensely without a restraining order for stalking being slapped on him.

* We can give Hue Jackson credit for some things and criticism for some other things.

We shouldn't be giving him too much applause for the Browns playing hard.

It's mid-October.

And his roster is filled with guys trying to prove they should still have a job next October.

* Jackson lent support to center Cam Erving, who was coming back from a bruised lung.

"That was like another first game for him," Jackson said. "It was exhausting for him."

That's fair. But the problem is Erving is a second-year player who even when healthy seems to have played first game after first game.

* Jackson cited "very good information from people I trust" in going for two against the Tennessee Titans late in Sunday's game.

Down 15, he was going to have to get two touchdowns and a two-point conversion at some point.

That decision isn't the reason the Browns lost. But in failing to get two, the Browns then needed two more possessions to win instead of just one.

I have never trusted my own math skills and hesitate to ask this given the unbalanced nature of my check book.

But isn't two possessions better than the higher probability of needing three?

* Jackson mentioned a "difference in philosophy, " which you can take to mean  he's aggressive.

Except when he wins the toss and defers, especially in overtime.

* Aaron Rodgers felt the need to calm the Green Bay Packers fan base after a 1-2 start in 2014. The team didn't look good and neither did Rodgers.

 "Five letters here just for everybody out there in Packer-land: R-E-L-A-X," Rodgers said on his ESPN Milwaukee radio show. "Relax. We're going to be OK."

After Sunday's lopsided loss to Dallas left the Packers 3-2 and the fans worried about their quarterback's play again, Rodgers shared the next step in dealing with the disappointment.

"Have a glass of scotch and chill out a little bit," Rodgers said.

He meant himself.

It's a sure sign of panic if in a few weeks he's spelling out "Jagermeister."

Here's where to watch, listen and stream the Cleveland Cavaliers' preseason Game 6 vs. the Washington Wizards tonight.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Cavaliers play Game 6 their 2016 preseason schedule tonight against the Washington Wizards. Here's how to watch, listen and stream the action online.

What: Cleveland Cavaliers (2-3) vs. Washington Wizards (2-3).
Where: Value City Arena.
When: 7 p.m.
TV: FoxSportsOhio.
Radio: WMMS, 100.7 FM; 87.7 FM La Mega.
Online: FoxSportsGo.com.

Toronto notable: Last season, Washington split the season series with Cleveland 2-2. In the four games, John Wall averaged 23.3 points and 10.5 assists. 

Cleveland notable: The Cavs have played 10 preseason games in Columbus since 2002, including eight at the Schottenstein Center. The team has a 5-3 record at that venue.

Catch the coverage from before the game; join in the live chat starting at tipoff; and stick around for full postgame coverage. For all Cavs information, be sure to check out cleveland.com/cavs.

The Cavs host the Wizards at Ohio State's Value City Arena in what will be the final preseason game for Cleveland. Watch video

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- This is it for the preseason for the Cavs (2-3), who make their annual trek to Ohio State to host the Washington Wizards (2-3) at Value City Arena.

What's up with the Cavs: If you care, Cleveland's riding a three-game losing streak (you shouldn't). LeBron James didn't play in any of those games, and none of coach Tyronn Lue's regulars played in two of the three. As far as preseason games go, this should be good -- it's the Cavs' dress rehearsal for their 2016 title defense. J.R. Smith is going to play; just not sure if he'll start.

Cavs injuries: None.

What's up with the Wizards: Scott Brooks is in his first season as coach, in his first assignment since he was let go by the Oklahoma City Thunder. His mission -- to get this playoff-caliber roster back to the postseason. The Wizards didn't get in last year, which spelled the end for Randy Wittman. Fun fact...the Wizards' last game was at the University of Kentucky. This one is at Ohio State. Both schools' basketball programs are sponsored by James'  signature Nike brand.

Wizards injuries: Ian Mahinmi (knee surgery) is out.

Projected starting lineups (preseason stats)

Cavs

F LeBron James (11.0 ppg; 3.0 rpg; 4.0 apg)

F Kevin Love (9.7 ppg; 4.3 rpg; 1.3 apg)

C Tristan Thompson (8.0 ppg; 3.0 rpg; 2.0 apg)

G Iman Shumpert (5.3 ppg; 2.7 rpg; 2.0 apg)

G Kyrie Irving (14.0 ppg; 1.5 rpg; 5.5 apg)

Wizards

F Otto Porter Jr. (6.5 ppg; 4.0 rpg; 1.3 apg)

F Markieff Morris (10.3 ppg; 3.3 rpg; 2.7 apg)

C Marcin Gortat (9.6 ppg; 4.4 rpg; 1.0 apg)

G Bradley Beal (15.0 ppg; 2.3 rpg; 2.0 apg)

G John Wall (9.3 ppg; 2.0 rpg; 5.7 apg)