Jason Campbell's bad day was particularly damaging to the team's hopes.

Upon DVR review of the CBS telecast, here are some observations:

Campbell played poorly: He was bad in real time, even worse on replay in his third start as a Brown. He scarcely resembled the quarterback from Week 8 at Kansas City and Week 9 against Baltimore. The accurate comparison -- shudder to think -- was Brandon Weeden. Supplementing the eyes were stats such as 7.3 Total QBR, 44.3 passer rating and 4.4 yards per attempt.

Campbell played poorly at a particularly bad time: The Browns desperately needed a victory if they wanted to be taken seriously in the AFC North. Instead, they fell to 4-6 and 2-1/2 games behind Cincinnati (7-4). Baltimore and Pittsburgh also are 4-6. The Browns could have felt much better about their wild-card chances, as well. Instead, Sunday brought the stench of “same old Browns’’ –- and it started with the quarterback.

Campbell is 1-2 as a Browns starter, including a defeat at Kansas City (23-17) and victory against Baltimore (24-18). But he had minimal culpability in the Chiefs outcome. Against the Bengals, Campbell and the special teams were the biggest offenders.

Late in the first quarter, Dalton’s throw to wide-open cornerback Joe Haden at the Cincinnati 29 gave the Browns a 13-0 lead. Yet the visitors lost by 21. #oic

Campbell committed turnovers: The interceptions were his first three of the season. His previous work as a Brown, covering the two starts plus one series, featured 75 passes without a pick and zero fumbles.

The first interception, late in the first quarter, occurred after end Michael Johnson’s batted pass ended up in linebacker James Harrison’s hands. Batted balls aren’t always a quarterback’s fault; Johnson is 6-7 and made an athletic play. Regardless, Campbell simply can’t have that happen, especially when it is first-and-10 from the Cleveland 20 and his team leads, 13-0. Harrison’s pick-6 was wiped out because of a penalty, but the Bengals scored a TD on the second play of the ensuing possession.

The second interception, late in the third quarter of a 31-20 game, occurred when Campbell overshot Greg Little by plenty along the right sideline. Safety Reggie Nelson easily grabbed it at the Cleveland 48. That interception is 100 percent on Campbell.

The third interception, during garbage time late in the fourth quarter, might as well have been a fumble by Little. Defensive back Brandon Ghee dislodged the ball from Little’s hands and Johnson caught the pop-up. Johnson had tipped the pass at the line, but he did not affect the path or speed enough to absolve Little.

Campbell’s ribs might have bothered him: He injured the ribs when Baltimore giant Haloti Ngata fell on him and the ball in the first quarter in Week 9. He exited in favor of Weeden, then returned for the next Cleveland series. That the Browns’ bye came the week after the Ravens game gave Campbell much-needed time to heal, but he still didn’t look quite right physically Sunday.

Campbell did not use the ribs as an excuse for what went wrong. And he certainly appeared to be fine while connecting with Josh Gordon for a 74-yard TD pass in the third quarter.

Campbell squandered TD opportunities in first quarter: On the Browns’ second possession, they eventually had first-and-goal at the 2. After Willis McGahee’s 1-yard run, Campbell rolled right and wanted fullback Billy Winn in the front right corner of the end zone. Winn was covered, but tight end Jordan Cameron broke open. Campbell didn’t see him until it was too late and threw the ball out of the back of the end zone.

On third-and-goal, Campbell failed to put air under the ball as Little became wide-open on a crossing route from right to left. Johnson rejected it and the Browns settled for Billy Cundiff’s 20-yard field goal.

The Bengals’ next offensive play ended up in Haden’s gloves. Haden returned 15 yards to the Cincinnati 14. Campbell connected with Little for 4 yards and overthrew Chris Ogbonnaya. On third-and-6 from the 10, Campbell had Gordon in a height mismatch against Adam Jones in the back left corner of the end zone. Alas, Campbell never gave Gordon a chance to draw pass interference or get his feet inbounds, the pass ending up high and off Gordon’s hands. CBS analyst and former NFL QB Rich Gannon said of Campbell: “If you wait, you’re going to be late.’’

Cundiff kicked a 28-yard field goal for a 6-0 advantage that could have been 14-0.

Weeden made appearances – sort of: Campbell was bad enough, early enough, that CBS began to show the beleaguered Weeden on the sideline.

After Campbell threw high and behind Davone Bess with 2:03 left in the second quarter, Gannon said:  “He’s got his eyes downfield, he’s late with his eyes to Davone Bess, who’s going to be working across the field. He’s forced to step up and he throws a high fastball to Davone Bess, who simply can’t handle it.’’

Play-by-play man Marv Albert said: “And Rich, as well as Jason Campbell played against the Ravens two weeks ago – 23-of-35, three touchdowns, AFC offensive player of the week – (it’s) not happening thus far in this first half.’’

As Albert spoke, Weeden’s image popped on the screen. Gannon, a former quarterback and MVP, sounded as if he wanted to eject from the booth.

“No, no,’’ Gannon said. “The idea that they would possibly turn to Brandon Weeden is not going to happen. I don’t think this team, this organization, has any confidence in Weeden.’’

Campbell dinked and dunked … and dunked and dinked: As the 4.4 yards per attempt indicate, he was not stretching the field vertically in a vertical-power scheme. The average shrinks to a positively Lilliputian 3.16 on 55 attempts when the 74-yard TD pass is removed. Campbell made a West Coast scheme look like Air Coryell.

“It’s been a frustrating day for Jason Campbell,’’ Gannon said in the final minutes. “With the exception of one big throw to Josh Gordon, he is checking the ball down to these backs. … It seems like every time Jason Campbell drops back to throw, the primary and secondary receivers are covered. He’s really struggling finding some separation between the defender and the receiver. … You’ve got to find a way to get it downfield.’’

Hard to fathom, but true: Twenty of Campbell’s first 22 attempts, and 22 of his last 23, traveled fewer than 10 yards in the air from the line of scrimmage. Campbell  finished with nine passes that traveled 10-plus yards; he was 1-of-9 for the TD and an interception.

After Campbell’s back-to-back-to-back dumps to Fozzy Whittaker in the fourth quarter, Gannon voiced his displeasure.

“There it is again -- another checkdown,’’ Gannon said. “Cincinnati is doing a good job of getting some depth with their linebackers, and they’re forcing Jason Campbell to be the ‘checkdown king.’’’

Campbell broke the Whittaker streak with a short pass that Ogbonnaya dropped. Gannon had seen enough.

“It’s as if he’s not even looking downfield,’’ Gannon said. “I mean, I played in this offense. I know Norv Turner wants to stretch the field; he loves the vertical passing game. And at some point, if you’re Jason Campbell, you’ve got to give some of these bigger receivers, guys like Josh Gordon and Greg Little, a chance to go up and make a play. You’ve got to be able to make some contested throws against this Cincinnati defense.’’

Campbell followed the dink to Ogbonnaya with a dunk to Bess.

“He’s playing not to make a mistake,’’ Gannon said. “He’s playing not to throw interceptions. Sometimes, these quarterbacks, they’ve been jerked around so much that they’re afraid if they make a mistake, (the team) will put the other guy in. And you begin to look over your shoulder.’’

Campbell rarely seemed comfortable: Unlike in the first two starts, he was unsure of himself in the pocket. No question that Cincinnati’s pressure bothered him – but  the pressure was far from relentless. When Campbell had time, he too often had happy feet. He occasionally shuffled into traffic instead of away from it.

QB gurus never stop emphasizing the role of footwork in the mechanics of throwing. Campbell’s feet betrayed him against the Bengals, and he paid for it with inaccuracy. Campbell compounded the problem by being indecisive.

Late in the third quarter, Gannon said: “It seems like he’s out of rhythm. He’s taking two and three hitches every time back. Campbell has missed a number of throws high.’’

Receivers left plays on the field: On the surface, Gordon’s final stats were stellar (five catches, 125 yards, TD). But he failed to secure a potential TD pass in the fourth quarter after Campbell had made a good flip on the move from the Bengals 4. According to the NFL stat book, Gordon was targeted 15 times; realistically, the number was 14. He needs more catches out of that.

Little was straight-up quiet (one catch, 4 yards). Gannon cracked him after his reception turned into a Bengals pick, saying: “Little has been inconsistent catching the ball. Doesn’t have great speed. Does have the size and the strength that you like, but … he’s got to work on the details.’’

Bess caught one pass for 3 yards. Whatever happened to Davone Bess?

Campbell final grade: F

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Cleveland State (2-2) out-rebounded the Eagles 50-33 and carried a 35-32 lead into the break, but couldn't overcome Eastern Michigan's 54 percent shooting (26 of 44).

Braxton Miller seems to be hitting his stride in his junior season. Is he ready for the NFL? That, and more, in today's Buckeye Breakfast.

COLUMBUS, Ohio – A reporter attempted to ask Urban Meyer a detailed question about the BCS and where Ohio State fits into that picture. Meyer answered with a completely unrelated answer regarding reserve running back Warren Ball and the punt team.

Meyer is fed up with distraction. He said in his postgame news conference after Ohio State’s 60-35 win over Illinois on Saturday, and he reiterated it again Monday. The BCS is what it is, Meyer said, and the Buckeyes cannot control anything but getting better.

But if the BCS race isn’t enough cause for distraction for Ohio State, how about we throw one more in for good measure with only two regular season games remaining –quarterback Braxton Miller’s future.

Meyer was asked about the NFL and whether he has spoken to the players that could be making a decision to jump into the professional ranks. He fielded that question.

“I was going to give you the Warren Ball answer,” Meyer said, “but that’s probably not fair because that’s real. At some point after the season, between the bowl game and end of the season. I’ve sat in a lot of those meetings. We’ll probably have a couple this year, but not yet.”

Would Miller be best served to return for his senior year?

“I don’t know,” Meyer said, shoving aside the question.

So we’ll ask you – does he belong in the NFL after this year, or does Miller have more to prove in the college ranks before jumping into professional football?

Want more on Meyer’s point of view on the BCS? Zack wrote a story about Meyer calling the system “flawed” and went on to describe why Ohio State’s head coach thought he did a poor job coaching the team last week.

Doug added a very interesting story about Glenville product and current senior Christian Bryant, who has been lost for the season with a broken ankle. Bryant said he expects senior day Saturday to “be epic,” and he hopes to walk across the field on which he broke his ankle.

Also, I wrote a quick story about Ohio State’s alternate all-white uniforms for the Michigan game, which will kickoff at noon this year, the traditional time, in Ann Arbor on Nov. 30. 

Ari, Doug and Zack talk inside the Woody Hayes Athletic Center indoor field about what they took away from Urban Meyer's press conference Monday.

COLUMBUS, Ohio – We have reached that point in the season where Ohio State’s opponents cannot keep up. Purdue, Illinois and now Indiana – and we’re not going to pretend as if the Buckeyes are in any real danger of losing.

If Ohio State does happen to lose to one of these types of opponents, that would be a crazy story that we’d cover thoroughly. We’re just not going to perpetuate the “not looking over the next opponent” theme. It’s boring.

That was most evident on Saturday in the middle of the Illinois game when Zack and I got into a big argument about the health merits of popcorn. People were more interested in that debate than the actual game (though that was before Illinois made a few plays).

And true to the way he is, Zack had to bring it up again during this video interview two days later. Don’t worry, I think I slammed the door on the debate again by acting arrogantly and dismissively.

But what about a real debate that actually pertains to Ohio State? Urban Meyer was asked Monday about whether he has had the annual NFL Draft conversation with his players, and it got to quarterback Braxton Miller.

Meyer said he hasn’t yet had the conversation with Miller, and responded with “I don’t know” when asked if he thought the junior would be best served by another year in college before trying to play professionally.

So that left the door open for the three of us to talk about it. 

The three of us tackle that discussion and even get to Ohio State’s position in the BCS in the above video. Be sure to watch the video and vote in the poll. 

Watch as Mary Kay Cabot and Tom Reed recap what happened in the AFC North in week 11 and what lies ahead for the Browns, Bengals, Ravens and Steelers.

BEREA, Ohio -- Cleveland Browns beat writers Mary Kay Cabot and Tom Reed take a look at what happened in week 11 in the AFC North and what lies ahead for the Browns, Bengals, Ravens and Steelers.

The Browns lost a heartbreaker to the Bengals in Cincinnati 41-20.  Cleveland led the game 13-0 at the end of the first quarter.  The Browns then gave up a Bengals franchise record 31 points in the second quarter with the help of two blocked punts and a fumble by Chris Ogbonnaya.

Joe Haden intercepted two Andy Dalton passes in the first quarter for his first multi-interception game of his career.  The second interception was returned 29 yards for a pick-six, also the first of his career.  The Browns defense held the Bengals to 1-of-14 on third downs.

The Ravens lost 20-23 to the Bears.  The game was delayed two hours by a torrential downpour.  Baltimore tied the game with a Justin Tucker 21-yard field goal at the end of regulation, but lost when Robbie Gould kicked 38-yard field goal in overtime.  Ray Rice had his best game of the season rushing for 131 yards.    

The Steelers won their second  consecutive game when they beat the Lions 37-27 in Pittsburgh.  Ben Roethlisberger threw for 367 yards and four touchdowns with a 119.4 quarterback rating.   Antonio Brown had seven receptions for 147 yards and two touchdowns.  The defense allowed the Lions'  Calvin Johnson 179 receiving yards in the first half, but shut him out in the second half.

This week, the Browns (4-6) host the Steelers (4-6).  The Ravens (4-6) play at home against the Jets (5-5).  The Bengals (7-4) are on their bye week.

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Zach Smith is on cloud nine coaching Ohio State's receivers. He credits his grandfather, former Buckeyes head coach Earle Bruce, for the root of his love for coaching at Ohio State. Will Smith's toddler son, Cameron, follow suit? It sure sounds like it.

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Proud, confident and beaming about the play of his receivers, Zach Smith returned home, where he encountered his 2-year-old son, Cameron.

"Hey, did you watch the wideouts play? Did you watch Daddy's players play?" Smith asked his kid. "They played pretty well, huh?"

Without hesitation and with the disposition of a harsh critic, Cameron responded.

"No," he said. "Not Philly. He dropped that one pass."

Tough crowd.

Corey "Philly" Brown, the captain of Ohio State's receiving corps, the group Smith advises, tallied six catches for 127 yards in that game.

Maybe Cameron Smith is preparing for the day he paces the sideline at Ohio Stadium. After all, coaching is in his blood. His father has done it at Florida, Marshall, Temple and now at Ohio State.

His great-grandfather is Earle Bruce.

Zach Smith didn't map out passing routes on his Etch A Sketch. He didn't ditch his pacifier for a whistle. He didn't dig through his toy box in search of a clipboard. He did, from a young age, have dreams of surveying the green turf at The Horseshoe, watching his players put his tutelage to use.

That vision stemmed from his adoration for Bruce, who served as the Buckeyes' head coach from 1979-87.

"I was a 4-year-old kid walking around with a superhero-like admiration for his grandfather and what he did," Smith said. "When you're a little kid, you can be anything when you grow up, and there was no confusion in my life of what I wanted that to be."

By the time he attended Dublin Coffman High School just outside of Columbus, Smith was certain.

"He talked about it when he started playing football," Bruce said. "He wanted to be a coach at Ohio State."

Smith remembers observing practice, watching "giants running around." He remembers the day Bruce received a pink slip and the Ohio State Marching Band showed up at the coach's house and performed the school's fight song. He remembers his summer trips to Colorado, where he would spend two and a half weeks with his grandparents after Bruce took the head coaching gig at Colorado State. Smith remembers the bond he shared with his grandparents. He was especially close with his grandmother, Jean.

Above all, Smith remembers the virtues he learned from Bruce, not the playbook analysis and coaching techniques the College Football Hall of Fame inductee shared with his grandson.

"X's and O's are the most overrated thing in coaching," Smith said. "Coaching is more about philosophical approaches to life. That really shaped my personality and who I am more than anything."

Bruce worked under Woody Hayes at Ohio State before he advanced to the head coaching positions at the University of Tampa and Iowa State. He then returned to Columbus as head coach when Hayes was dismissed in 1979.

Urban Meyer served on Bruce's staff at Ohio State in 1986 and '87, when he coached the tight ends and wide receivers.

Smith worked for Meyer at Florida from 2005-09. He'll never forget the day Meyer hired him at Ohio State.

When Bruce got wind that Meyer was pegged as the man to resurrect the program in 2011, he immediately called his grandson.

"You need to try to get on his staff," Bruce said.

"Well no [kidding]," Smith replied, joking that he would script a letter to his former boss.

Meyer and Smith had maintained a dialogue after Smith departed Gainesville, Fla., to coach the receivers at Marshall and Temple. A few days before Christmas in 2011, Meyer called Bruce and revealed he would be offering Smith a spot on his staff. Smith happened to be with Bruce at the time of the conversation.

So, Smith's grandfather learned of his hiring before Smith did.

"I think he's had a great start with Urban," Bruce said. "There's no doubt about that."

Now, that same toddler once cradled by the massive paws of linebacker Chris Spielman is coaching at the only school about which he ever fantasized.

"The biggest point I make to anyone -- players, kids, whoever it is -- is if you want to do something, do it, but you have to go get it," Smith said. "You would think -- my grandfather was the head coach at Ohio State, he had all of these assistant coaches who worked for him and are loyal to him and love him for what he did to help their career, but no one is going to just give me a job. You have to go earn it."

What, then, could Smith have left to accomplish, now that he has fulfilled that little kid's wish?

"My only goal or focus is to have the best receiver corps in the United States of America," Smith said. "I don't care if I ever do anything other than that."

What about Cameron, the toughest 2-year-old critic in college football? Will the Bruce-Smith family tree bear another coaching branch?

Said Smith, with a laugh: "I don't want to play for him."

Cleveland State is starting to hear the whistle more and more as the basketball season moves on, and Kent State football reaches the end of the line for 2013.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A quick morning look at the night before and the day ahead in local college sports:

While the basketball calendar is still young there is a potential problem brewing with the Cleveland State Vikings that head coach Gary Waters feared going into the season. Fouls and free throws are mounting by the game, and that was evident Monday night in the Vikings 81-69 road loss in front of just 825 people at Eastern Michigan.

The two teams combined for 70 free throws with Cleveland State going 24 of 31 from the line. The Eagles went to the line 39 times, so there was no great disparity there, but the Vikings were clearly slowed by the whistles. Sophomore 6-8 post man Anton Grady was limited to 14 minutes (4 points, 4 rebounds).

While Marlin Mason (25 minutes), Charlie Lee (23 minutes) and Trey Lewis (33 minutes) got their expected time on the court -- considering Waters wants to limit all players to 25 minutes per game -- they all still fouled out.

Perhaps the biggest hurt for CSU was to leading scorer Bryn Forbes, who was whistled for four fouls forcing him to sit longer than normal, and play just 23 minutes. Forbes is the lone exception to Waters' minutes limit.

Against EMU's zone defense, Forbes was needed on the court as much as possible. He still led the Vikings with 22 points, but he was the only quality marksman on the court. The 6-2 sophomore was 7 of 13 from the field, while the rest of the Vikings were 13 of 54 for a chilly 24 percent shooting performance.

This offset a dominating effort on the boards where Cleveland State out-rebounded the undefeated Eagles (4-0), 50-33, but just could not find a rhythm on offense.

After starting the season with a victory over Iona, with only 36 free throws shot between the two teams, that number has grown, game by game. There were a combined 44 free throws shot in the Vikings loss at San Francisco, 65 free throws in a victory at Texas-Arlington, and now 70 in a loss to Eastern. Prior to EMU, only two Vikings had fouled out of a game this season, which is a testament to CSU's depth.

Cleveland State now looks to get back on the plus side of .500 on the season, Saturday, when the Vikings host Robert Morris, 3 p.m. at the Wolstein Center.

That's the breaks: Tonight is the final football game of the season for Kent State (3-8, 2-5), on the road at Ohio University (6-4, 3-3). The 8 p.m. game will be televised on ESPN2. After a 2012 season when nearly all the breaks seemed to fall KSU's way, the team received none this season. The schedule is a perfect example. Last season Kent had 10 days or more between each of their first four games of the season, plus a bye week.

This year Kent only had one 10-day stretch between games, and that was prior to this matchup with the Bobcats. KSU will end its season tonight, without a complete bye week during the regular campaign. Combined with one of the toughest conference slates in the league (five of eight MAC teams with winning records, eight of 12 teams overall) and the 2013 season probably can't end soon enough for the Golden Flashes.

Only rival Akron (4-7, 3-4) has played a tougher slate overall (9 of 12 teams with winning records) but that has come with not one, but two bye weeks.

Can Jason Campbell bounce back from his performance against the Bengals? Do the Browns still have a chance in the AFC North? Vote in our poll on who will win and by how much.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns welcome the Pittsburgh Steelers to FirstEnergy Stadium Sunday to renew their AFC North rivalry.

Quarterback. It's the most important position in football. Without one, it makes it very difficult to be a perennial contender. If you need evidence of just how critical having a quality signal caller is then look at the Green Bay Packers.

CLEVELAND, Ohio – Quarterback. It's the most important position in football. Without one, it makes it very difficult to be a perennial contender. If you need evidence of just how critical having a quality signal caller is then look at the Green Bay Packers. With Aaron Rodgers running the show, Green Bay was a playoff contender. Without him, they are falling out of the playoff picture. 

The same goes for the college level. Just imagine Louisville without Teddy Bridgewater or Florida State without Jameis Winston.

This year many quarterbacks have captured the nation's attention and have NFL eyes watching them. This year's group comes in all different sizes and ages. There are seniors, underclassmen, pocket passers, dual threat weapons and even a freshman (Jameis Winston) to keep an eye on. While some of the excitement over the class has fizzled thanks to struggles of a few prospects (Tajh Boyd and Brett Hundley), it still appears to be promising. There are a few different options that appear destined to lead an NFL franchise back to relevance.

1. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville

6-3, 196 lbs., Junior

Yearly stats: 219-309 (70.9%), 3048 yards, 24 TDs, 3 INTs.

Most recent game: Win vs. Houston, 20-13. Passing - 19-29 (65.5%), 203 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT.

Analysis: That's now two games in a row for Bridgewater where he hasn't been as sharp nor has he put up the gaudy numbers. But it's not about that. It's not about stats or wins at the college level. It's about the skill-set and Bridgewater has the best one of any quarterback at the college level. He is smart, showing off his football IQ by running a pro-style offense and making checks at the line of scrimmage. He has the arm strength while at the same time displaying good touch. He is effective throwing to every level of the field. He has tremendous presence in the pocket and is not afraid to deliver the ball in the face of the rush. Whatever it is you want in a quarterback, Bridgewater possesses it.

Last week's ranking: No. 1

2. Marcus Mariota, Oregon

6-4, 211 lbs., RS Sophomore

Yearly stats: Passing - 183-285 (64.2%), 2819 yards, 25 TDs, 0 INT.

Rushing – 66 attempts, 477 yards, 9 TDs.

Most recent game: Win vs. Utah, 44-21. Passing – 19-26 (73.1%), 288 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INT.

Rushing – 4 carries, -18 yards, 0 TD.

Analysis: From a statistics perspective, that's more like what fans are used to seeing from Mariota. But it's clear his knee injury has taken away his ability to escape pressure and make plays with his legs. With two straight weeks of negative rushing yards, Mariota's achy knee is causing him to turn to his arm more. No problem. Mariota still struggles with accuracy, but he has the size, arm strength and natural talent to be a special quarterback at the next level. Remember, he's just 20 years old.

Last week's ranking: No. 2

3. Johnny Manziel, Texas A & M

6-1, 210 lbs., RS Sophomore

Yearly stats: Passing – 230-315 (73%), 3313 yards, 31 TDs, 11 INTs.

Rushing – 110 carries, 611 yards, 8 TDs.

Most recent game: Win vs. Mississippi State, 51-41. Passing – 30-39 (76.9%), 446 yards, 5 TDs, 3 INTs.

Rushing – 14 carries, 47 yards, 0 TD.

Had a bye in Week 12.

Analysis: I almost feel dirty liking Manziel as a quarterback as much as I do. I continue to try to find things to steer me away from him. He has off-the-field issues. He has thrown double-digit interceptions. He freelances constantly. And he doesn't have great size. But I can't ignore his ability to create magic every Saturday nor can I overlook his growth as a passer thanks to some summer work with QB guru George Whitfield. Despite some key losses (OT Luke Joeckel and WR Ryan Swope) on offense, Manziel is even better than he was in 2012 when he won the Heisman Trophy. A one-man wrecking ball of offense, Johnny Football has a great understanding of the position and is a natural playmaker. I think his game will translate to the next level.

Last week's ranking: No. 3

4. Brett Hundley, UCLA

6-3 222 lbs., RS Sophomore

Yearly stats: Passing - 196-289 (67.8%), 2384 yards, 20 TDs, 8 INTs.

Rushing – 120 carries, 502 yards, 7 TDs.

Most recent game: Win vs. Washington, 41-31. Passing – 13-22 (59.1%), 159 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs.

Rushing – 8 carries, 15 yards, 0 TDs.

Analysis: Fans have been riding the roller coaster with Hundley all season. This past weekend, it was more about UCLA's running game as opposed to the passing game. With freshman linebacker Myles Jack being used on offense, the passing game took a back seat. Hundley has the potential and I'm excited about what he can become in the future. But he's not consistent enough and would be best served going back to UCLA for his junior year. If he continues to sharpen his accuracy, eliminate the baffling mistakes and learn to keep his eyes downfield, Hundley has a chance to become an elite quarterback.

Last week's ranking: No. 4

5. Derek Carr, Fresno State

View full sizeFresno State quarterback Derek Carr is enjoying a healthy and productive senior season.Associated Press 

6-3, 218 lbs., RS Senior

Yearly stats: 323-465 (69.5%), 3421 yards, 32 TDs, 4 INTs.

Most recent game: Win at Wyoming, 48-10. 33-46 (71.7%), 360 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INT. Had a bye in Week 12.

Analysis: After playing through last season with a sports hernia injury, Carr looks healthy and is putting together an outstanding senior campaign. He can get sloppy with his footwork and his mechanics, throwing off his back foot and relying on his arm too much, but the gym rat has a tremendous arm and makes "wow" throws on a weekly basis. His ball sliced through the cold weather in Wyoming two weeks ago without a problem. The schedule and conference hasn't tested him much, but he has the look of an NFL signal caller and will continue to rise up draft boards.

Last week's ranking: No. 5

6. Zach Mettenberger, LSU

6-5, 230 lbs., RS Senior

Yearly stats: 167-254 (65.7%), 2733 yards, 20 TDs, 7 INTs.

Most recent game: Loss at Alabama, 38-17. 16-23 (69.6%), 241 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT. Had a Week 12 bye.

Analysis: The last time Mettenberger was on the field, he was suffering yet another loss to Alabama. But this time it was much different for the LSU QB. Against the best team in the country, he made big throws in the constant face of a rush and kept his team within striking distance for much of the game. Most importantly, he didn't make any errors. He has grown a lot this year. Mettenberger is a classic drop-back passer with a cannon for an arm. I still can't advocate drafting him in round one, but he would make a very intriguing second rounder in May and is the second-best senior in the class.

Last week's ranking: No. 6

7. Tajh Boyd, Clemson

6-1, 225 lbs., RS Senior

Yearly stats: Passing – 212-318 (66.7%), 2960 yards, 24 TDs, 7 INTs.

Rushing – 115 carries, 237 yards, 8 TDs.

Most recent game: Win vs. Georgia Tech, 55-31. Passing – 20-26 (76.9%), 340 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT.

Rushing – 15 carries, 43 yards, 1 TD.

Analysis: There is no player that has hurt his draft stock more this year than Boyd. Has he already reached his ceiling? He had a shaky outing against Florida State three weeks ago and looks nothing like the player he was in 2012. The size has always been a point of contention, but it's his spotty accuracy, sloppy footwork and locking in on targets that continue to plague him. The numbers were great this past week before leaving with a shoulder injury, but his stock has tumbled so much already that it will be tough to build it back up.  

Last week's ranking: No. 7

8. Bryce Petty, Baylor

View full sizeBaylor quarterback Bryce Petty continues to climb the list of college quarterbacks to keep an eye on.Associated Press 

6-3, 230 lbs., RS Junior

Yearly stats: Passing – 152-233 (65.2%), 2992 yards, 24 TDs, 1 INT.

Rushing – 53 carries, 127 yards, 10 TDs.

Most recent game: Win vs. Texas Tech, 63-34. Passing – 17-31 (54.8%), 335 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INT.

Rushing – 16 carries, 45 yards, 2 TD.

Analysis: Playing Saturday without his second-leading receiver (Tevin Reese) and his best running back (Lache Seastrunk), Petty continued his assault on the Big 12. He has followed in the footsteps of Kevin Kolb, Case Keenum and Robert Griffin III as protégé's of Baylor head coach Art Briles. He has good size, a strong enough arm, throws a beautiful deep ball and has become an excellent decision-maker.  

Last week's ranking: No. 9

9. A.J. McCarron, Alabama

6-4, 214 lbs., RS Senior

Yearly stats: 177-261 (67.8%), 2228 yards, 21 TDs, 5 INTs

Most recent game: Win at Mississippi State, 20-7. 18-32 (56.3%), 187 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs.

Analysis: Alabama head coach Nick Saban thinks McCarron is the best quarterback in America. His girlfriend, Katherine Webb, thinks he belongs in the Heisman conversation. Saban is a brilliant football mind, but he is wrong and so is Miss Alabama. Surrounded by some of college football's most talented players, McCarron could win another National Championship. That's the one thing he has done better than anyone recently, but winning is not a transferable skill. Just ask Kellen Moore, Matt Leinart, Ken Dorsey and Colt McCoy. McCarron's arm strength is still a concern and I think he's still too inaccurate on the deep throws. Relying on timing, anticipation, ball placement and decision-making have worked at Alabama. But he isn't as physically gifted as some of the other players in the class and even though some coaches may end up salivating over his intangibles, I still have my doubts.

Last week's ranking: No. 8

10. Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech

6-6, 257 lbs., Senior

Yearly stats: Passing – 211-362 (58.3%), 2632 yards, 15 TDs, 12 INTs.

Rushing – 144 carries, 321 yards, 4 TDs.

Most recent game: Loss vs. Maryland, 27-24 (OT). Passing – 19-31 (61.3%), 210 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs.

Rushing – 13 carries, -17 yards, 0 TDs.

Analysis: The loss against Maryland stings. Sure, he missed some open receivers and he is good for at least 4 erratic throws per game, but he had another interception-free game and is showing growth now that there is a little bit of stability around him. A gifted athlete with tremendous size, Thomas has skills that can't be taught. He's still very much a work in progress and at least a few years away from starting in the NFL, but if a smart coach gets their hands on his talent and finds a way to bring out his enormous potential, he could become a threat at the next level. He was supposed to be a tight end at Virginia Tech before the coaching staff made the change, so he hasn't been doing the quarterback thing as long as some of these other players on this list. I'd be willing to gamble on his talent.  

Last week's ranking: No. 10

Here's Dennis Manoloff's detailed analysis of how the Browns' defensive squad performed Sunday.

CLEVELAND, Ohio – The Browns’ defense played its second-best game of the season Sunday afternoon against the Bengals in Cincinnati. The Browns lost, 41-20 -- but the defense was not to blame.

Upon DVR review of the CBS telecast, here are some other observations:

Tiger tales: Coordinator Ray Horton’s attacking 3-4 had its way with the Bengals twice in 2013. In the first meeting, Sept. 29 in Cleveland, the Browns held the Bengals to two field goals in a 17-6 victory. It ranks as their best defensive performance in 10 games for any number of reasons, beginning with team outcome and single-digit points allowed.

Bengals, Part II is their second-best performance despite the loss and lopsided score. It is better than that of the other three victories -- Week 3 at Minnesota (31-27), Week 5 vs. Buffalo (37-24),  Week 9 vs. Baltimore (24-18) – and six defeats.

A defense’s job is to prevent points, regardless of circumstance. On Sunday, the Browns’ defense gave up three touchdowns and 27 points, so it seemingly failed. But there is much more paint to this picture.

Here is a capsule comparison of what the Bengals’ offense did against the Browns’ defense in both meetings:

* Does not include kneel-downs at end of halves.
** For starter Andy Dalton.

The Browns’ defense in the second meeting simply did not get any help from the offense and special teams, as evidenced by the meat on the bones of Cincinnati’s  scoring possessions. In Week 4, their two scoring drives consisted of a combined 23 plays and 108 yards. In Week 11, their five consisted of a combined 22 plays and 122 yards. In Week 4, the Bengals had three non-kneel-down possessions of 10 yards or fewer. In Week 11, they had not one, not two, not three, but … 12.

Operation shutdown: Andy Dalton is supposed to be a decent-to-good quarterback, but he certainly didn’t play like one in two games against the Browns. In Week 4, he went 23-of-42 for 206 yards. He was intercepted once and sacked twice. In Week 11, he went 13-of-27 for 93 yards and the three TDs. He was intercepted twice, both by cornerback Joe Haden, the second returned 29 yards for a score.

The Browns did not need to sack Dalton to have their way with him. All they needed to do was apply moderate pressure and he became skittish and inaccurate. The QBR was a career-worst.

It helps to have Haden tracking Dalton’s most dangerous target, A.J. Green. Both of Haden’s picks were of throws to the right side intended for Green, who finished with two catches for 7 yards on five targets. In the first meeting, Green had seven catches for 51 yards. A DVR review was not necessary to conclude that Haden played perhaps his best game as a pro. He was to Dalton what Ed Reed was to Browns QBs when Reed played for the Ravens.

Picking spots: An attacking 3-4 thrives on the blitz, but Horton resisted the urge in both Cincinnati games. Horton realized that sending the conventional four against Dalton and his linemen can be effective. In Week 4, the Browns had four rushers at the time of the pass on 30 of 46 non-penalty dropbacks (65 percent). In Week 11, they had four RTOP on 19 of 29 (66 percent).

By not relying heavily on the blitz, the Browns were able to limit Dalton’s ability to dink and dunk. The extent of the non-TD damage on short stuff Sunday came from scatback Giovani Bernard, who caught four passes for 41 yards on five targets.

Setting the tone: The Browns’ defense was sensational for the vast majority of the first quarter. The Bengals’ first five possessions went: three plays, 0 yards, punt; three plays, 9 yards, punt; one play, 0 yards, interception; two plays, 0 yards, interception; three plays, 4 yards, punt.

At that point, the Browns held a 13-0 lead, on the road, against the AFC North leader. However, the offense and special teams rendered the stellar work moot.

Too many TDs: The Browns’ defense has struggled in the most important area --  touchdowns allowed. The season’s total is up to 25, for a not-so-tidy average of 2.5 per game. The Browns have allowed two TDs four times, three TDs three times and four TDs twice. That is unacceptable for any defense, let alone one in the hands of the highly regarded Horton.

Cincinnati has every right to feel good about scoring three touchdowns against the Browns, especially given that they resulted from passes by a quarterback having an otherwise bad game. Regardless, the Browns can attach asterisks to at least one.

The Bengals’ first offensive TD came within two plays of Jason Campbell’s first interception, which resulted in a Bengals first down at the Cleveland 22. On second-and-13, Dalton beat a five-man rush with his best throw of the day. Dalton, hanging in as linebacker Jabaal Sheard shoved right tackle Andre Smith into his legs, lofted the ball to tight end Jermaine Gresham near the right sideline at the 6. Gresham caught the ball over the shoulder with linebacker Craig Robertson a half-step behind, arms outstretched. Safety T.J. Ward missed a hit, then Gresham bounced off Haden, who had tried to help when he peeled off Green. Yes, the Browns could have covered better, but it was more about a rare five-star throw from Dalton that made a well-designed play pay off.

The Browns’ next possession ended with Spencer Lanning’s 9-yard punt, courtesy of a partial block. The Bengals took over at the Cleveland 38. On second-and-6, receiver Mohamed Sanu grabbed a lateral from Dalton and fired to Bernard down the right sideline. The ball dropped over linebacker Barkevious Mingo’s hand and into the arms of Bernard, who made the catch while falling out of bounds at the 9. Or did he? Bernard had the ball on the way down and during his roll, but lost control at the end of it. Officials ruled catch; the Browns challenged and lost.

Analyst Rich Gannon agreed with the call on the field, saying that Bernard had demonstrated control long enough. Texans receiver Andre Johnson, though, wants to know why that call stood and his similar play in a big spot against Tennessee recently was ruled no catch. During one of ESPN’s NFL shows on Monday, host Trey Wingo and analyst Damien Woody seemingly sided with the Browns and said the NFL needs to be more consistent with its definition of a completed catch.

Three plays later, on third-and-goal from the 6, Dalton connected with Sanu for a TD. Sanu, from the right slot, ran to the right corner and reached high to secure the ball while keeping both feet in. Ward and chasing cornerback Chris Owens ended up  on the scene. Gannon said: “Somebody blows a coverage there. Looks like it’s Owens. He’s late to rally to the corner.’’

Cincinnati’s third TD capped a seven-play, 52-yard drive in the fourth quarter. It was Cincinnati’s longest drive, by yards, of the game. On first-and-goal from the 2, Dalton connected with former Brown Alex Smith, who was wide-open in the front left of the end zone. The Bengals had six players to block six and did so easily, giving Dalton a clean look after play-action. Smith and fellow tight end Tyler Eifert came from the right side, Eifert working the back of the end zone. Gresham, lined up on the left side, got the attention of safety Tashaun Gipson long enough to move him out of the area soon to be occupied by Smith.

Overall grade for defense: B++

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Lawyers for Jimmy Haslam's Pilot Flying J renewed their plea for a federal judge to accept a proposed settlement of fraud claims against the service station chain, saying it is a "near certainty" that trucking companies would not receive anything more by pursuing litigation on their own. "The settlement is fair, adequate and reasonable for the class,...

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Lawyers for Jimmy Haslam's Pilot Flying J renewed their plea for a federal judge to accept a proposed settlement of fraud claims against the service station chain, saying it is a "near certainty" that trucking companies would not receive anything more by pursuing litigation on their own.

"The settlement is fair, adequate and reasonable for the class, as confirmed by the fact that no class member chose to object and only approximately one percent opted out," Pilot said in a 39-page filing Monday.

U.S. District Judge James Moody is scheduled to conduct a "fairness hearing" on the proposed settlement Monday in Little Rock, Ark.

While Pilot's lawyers contend no class member has chosen to protest the settlement, more than 60 trucking companies continue to push forward with separate claims.

In one case pending in federal court in Alabama, attorneys for Wright Transportation have charged the Pilot proposal is suspect, noting that the firm that originally filed the Arkansas suit wasn't even formed until after the federal raid.

The filing says the settlement would include $55 million in direct rebate payments to trucks, plus 6 percent interest, up to $14 million in legal fees and payment by Pilot of auditing and other costs.

The settlement offer from Pilot is designed to resolve most lawsuits filed across the country in the wake of an FBI raid on Pilot's headquarters in April. Agents were acting on insider information that Pilot sales employees intentionally defrauded trucking customers by withholding diesel fuel rebates they'd been promised.

In mid-July, after about 2 ½ months of arms-length negotiations, "and many rounds of offers and counter-offers," trucking companies involved in the settlement talks and Pilot reached the proposed agreement, the court filing says. One of the bargaining points was what percent beyond owed money Pilot would pay trucking companies, with Pilot at one point proposing 4 percent, not 6 percent, according to a lawyer for Haslam's company.

The court filing says Pilot deployed 25 internal auditors and more than 30 contract auditors to sift through which customers were owed money and calculating the amounts.

With trade rumors swirling about the Steelers looking to trade Big Ben, would you welcome him to Cleveland if he was available and the price was right?

Would you welcome Ben Roethlisberger to Cleveland via a trade if he was available? (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)

CLEVELAND, Ohio – In June, the Ohio High School Athletic Association reshaped its football landscape, adding a seventh division and altering division placement. The move was designed to create a more competitive Division I, which had some schools facing playoff opponents twice their size.

CLEVELAND, Ohio – In June, the Ohio High School Athletic Association reshaped its football landscape, adding a seventh division and altering division placement.

The move was designed to create a more competitive Division I, which had some schools facing playoff opponents twice their size.

Some area schools, such as Glenville, Nordonia, Brecksville-Broadview-Heights and Willoughby South, were among the 24 in Northeast Ohio that dropped from Division I to Division II due to the changes.

With the third round of the football playoffs coming up this weekend we want to know what kind of impact you think the OHSAA’s changes have had on the playoffs. Has the OHSAA’s football realignment helped playoff competition? Share your thoughts in the comments below.

Of the eight teams remaining in Division I, just three of them – St. Edward, Cincinnati Moeller and Austintown-Fitch – have less than 700 boys in grades 9-11. The enrollment cutoff for Division I this year was 608 in grades 9-11.

Of the 32 teams that qualified for the playoffs in Division II, 12 were Division 1 last season. Of the eight that remain, just two - Glenville (459 boys) and Loveland (553) – dropped from Division I.

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When is it time to start getting concerned about the Cavs level of play? Was the Cavs' players-only meeting a good thing? Is there anyone on this team untouchable in a trade? The Plain Dealer's Mary Schmitt Boyer joins Chris Fedor on Cavs Insider today at 11:30 a.m.

Talk Cavs with Mary Schmitt Boyer today at 11:30 a.m. Allison Carey/The Plain Dealer

Bernie Kosar said he has been helped by doctor's treatment for his post-concussion sydnrome.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Former Cleveland Browns quarterback Bernie Kosar is among many former NFL players who have complained about complications from the hazards of playing in the league.

And like most former players, Kosar was displaying the hallmarks of chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE, the brain disease caused by repeated blows to the head, writes Jason Schwartz on new republic.com.

CTE can only be diagnosed via autopsy, but Kosar's doctor, Rick Sponaugle, has his own method.

Schwartz writes how Sponaugle explained that Kosar had visited his clinic in Palm Harbor, Fla., where the doctor used something called a “positron emission tomography scan” to figure out what was wrong with Kosar’s head.

Details about the ensuing treatment were sketchy. Sponaugle delivers supplements through an intravenous drip, the formula for which is proprietary—but Kosar testified that, whatever was in the stuff, it worked its wonders in no time. “It was a gift from God to find this and feel like this,” Kosar told the journalists. “I see all the symptoms going away.”

Yet halting the ravages of CTE and undoing the damage of individual concussions is exactly what a small but increasingly sought-out group of doctors is telling vulnerable ex-players they can do, writes Schwartz. But many in the medical establishment say doctors like Kosar's are involved in unproven procedures that have moved football’s brain-injury crisis into the snake-oil phase.

In The Washington Post, the head of the American Psychiatric Association, Jeffrey Lieberman, went so far as to label one practitioner’s methods as “the modern equivalent of phrenology.”

More Browns and NFL news

Flight back from game in Cincinnati was shaky (Cleveland.com).

Rob Chudzinski expects Jason Campbell to redeem himself (Cleveland.com).

Special teams wasn't very special against the Bengals (Cleveland.com).

Play it Again with CB Joe Haden (Cleveland.com).

Columnist Bill Livingston says to respect Big Ben (Cleveland.com).

Despite the loss, the Browns are still in the playoff race (CantonRep.com).

The Browns are headed back to the drawing board (Fox Sports Ohio).

No fullback on the Browns' roster is a big mystery (ESPNCleveland).

Crash kills former Bengals LB (Cincinnati.com).

Ozzie Newsome feeling fine after visit to Chicago hospital (Baltimore Sun).

Does Ohio State deserve to be ranked No. 3? Does Baylor deserve to jump the Buckeyes with a win against Oklahoma State on Saturday? Is there a better way to represent the Big Ten than to honor a game that featured 45 punts?

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- We know how hungry you are for more college football content at this point in the season. Even a semi-healthy snack such as popcorn isn't quite enough. So, we're here to provide you with the Buckeye Brunch, a little late-morning food for thought. Each day, we'll offer five thoughts about the college football landscape for you to chew on.

1. If I had a vote, I'd slot Ohio State at No. 3. At this point, the Buckeyes aren't as deserving to play for the national title as Alabama and Florida State are. But, as I wrote last week, you can poke holes in any contender's case. Remember the Seminoles' dominant win against No. 7 Miami? The Hurricanes, now unranked, have since suffered 18-point losses against Virginia Tech and Duke.

2. Alabama looked less impressive than Baylor -- who trailed 20-7 against Texas Tech -- and Ohio State, who allowed 35 points to Illinois. Nick Saban's squad topped Mississippi State, 20-7, on the road. No victory away from home is easy, especially in the SEC. But Ohio State's 25-point win cost it votes. Baylor's 29-point win against unranked Texas Tech allowed the Bears to jump the Buckeyes in the coaches' poll and scoot to within one-thousandth of a percent of Ohio State for the No. 3 spot in the BCS rankings. Alabama, on the other hand, hasn't received much flak for a shaky win. Perhaps the Crimson Tide have earned the benefit of the doubt after winning three of the last four national titles.

3. Baylor's case is the most surprising to me. The Bears have dominated their opponents this season, but the Big 12 might be just as weak as the Big Ten this season. Big 12 teams are 9-22 against the Top 25 this season. Big Ten teams are 7-17. Baylor's only win against a ranked opponent is its 41-12 triumph against Oklahoma. The Sooners have yet to defeat a ranked team. Baylor played as soft of a non-conference slate (Wofford, Buffalo, Louisiana-Monroe) as Ohio State. If a voter wants to penalize Ohio State for a lack of impressive wins, that's fair. But can't the same argument be used against Baylor? Many believe the Bears will jump the Buckeyes in the BCS standings with a win against No. 10 Oklahoma State this week.

4. At this point, it's all moot anyway. Unless Alabama or Florida State falter, Baylor and Ohio State won't sniff the title game. I'm surprised the Seminoles didn't garner more first-place votes this week. Those who vaulted Baylor to No. 3 in the AP poll likely did it based on Ohio State's semi-struggle against Illinois. Wouldn't that same logic lead voters to place Florida State ahead of Alabama, given the Crimson Tide's unconvincing win at Mississippi State? Alabama merited 55 of the 60 first-place votes.

5. Ohio State will don special uniforms for its game at Michigan next week. The team will pay homage to the 1950 Snow Bowl, a game Michigan won, 9-3, amid a blizzard. What better way to represent the Big Ten than to honor a game that featured 45 punts?

Get your questions ready and join Terry Pluto today at noon as he talks Cleveland sports with cleveland.com's Glenn Moore.

Terry Pluto tackles your questions today at noon.

Get your questions ready and join Terry Pluto today at noon as he talks Cleveland sports.

Pluto will talk with cleveland.com's Glenn Moore about Browns-Bengals, Indians hot stove and the Cavs sluggish start to the season.

You can jump in the chat room and ask your questions as well as interact with other users and respond to Pluto's remarks, or you can just listen. The chat will also be made available shortly after its completion in MP3 format.

Two years in a row, the Illibuck trophy found its way into the hands of Mewhort, who knew what to do with it.

View full sizeJack Mewhort and the turtle found each other again after Ohio State's victory at Illinois on Saturday.Jeff Haynes, Associated Press

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Jack Mewhort might be Ohio State's best offensive player. Jack Mewhort should be moving up NFL draft lists. Jack Mewhort should be in consideration for the Outland Trophy, as Urban Meyer said Tuesday, though the six semifinalists were released Wednesday and he didn't make it. Jack Mewhort hasn't given up a sack all year, which is what he said when I asked this week how many he's allowed.

Whatever. Jack Mewhort is the turtle guy.

There were two sure things at Illinois last Saturday. The Buckeyes were going to win, and Mewhort was going to wind up with the Illibuck.

Andy Staples will talk with cleveland.com's OSU crew about where the Buckeyes should be in the BCS standings, Braxton Miller's draft outlook and other important topics.

COLUMBUS, Ohio - The Ohio State Buckeyes are heading down the homestretch as they try to win the Big Ten Championship and earn a spot in the BCS championship game. 

Join Cleveland.com's Doug Lesmerises, Zack Meisel and Ari Wasserman today at 12:30 as they talk Buckeye football on the Ohio State Insider Show. If you miss the show live, you can watch the archived webcast below.

This week's guest is Andy Staples, who covers college football Sports Illustrated. They will talk about Braxton Miller's draft prospects; whether OSU or Baylor deserves to be No. 3 in the BCS standings; and whether Alabama or Florida State will lose.

What does the David Murphy signing mean for the Indians' outfield situation? They already have outfielders Michael Brantley, Michael Bourn and Drew Stubbs. Voice your opinion.

Should the Indians look to move Drew Stubbs or Michael Bourn after signing David Murphy? (Chuck Crow/The Plain Dealer)

Should the Indians look to deal Bourn or Stubbs? Who is the odd man out? Voice your opinion in the comments section.